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Mooose
Jan 30, 2019Luminary
Massive packet loss over Ethernet backhaul
I believe I have read all the threads on this topic and tried the suggested solutions that are relevant to my particular network. My apologies if I have missed something!
My Orbi RBK50 (one rou...
- Feb 06, 2019
Mooose Good troubleshooting and interesting observations. It's clear that the packet loss is directly related to the wired backhaul.
I'm now running the ongoing beta software (2.3.0.23) and I can see that NG has done quite good improvements on wired device handling. Would you want to test this SW and see if you will see improvements? If yes, please PM to ChristineT and ask to get the SW download links.
FURRYe38
Jan 30, 2019Guru - Experienced User
Do you get any packet loss with the Laptop directly connected to the Orbi router. Disconnect the satellite from the configuration.
Confirming that your using v2.2.1.210 FW?
How was the satellite connected to ethernet? After the satellite was connected wifi?
For wired back haul:
Set up IP address reservations for each satellite and devices on the router as you add them to the router. The satellites need to be set up via wireless first. Then connect 1 satellite at a time to the ethernet LAN cable. Wait 5 minutes and the top led on the satellite should turn on BLUE. Set up an IP address reservation for the 1st satellite. Continue to do the same thing for the 2nd satellite. Then follow up with your devices.
Was the FW updated via auto update or manually?
If auto update, you might do this, re-load the FW file on to both units manually. After loading do a full factory ERASE on both units and setup from scratch. Add the satellite wireless first, then connect the ethernet cable.
Mooose wrote:
I believe I have read all the threads on this topic and tried the suggested solutions that are relevant to my particular network. My apologies if I have missed something!
My Orbi RBK50 (one router, one satellite) connected through the router WAN port directly to the fiber-optic to Ethernet converter supplied by my ISP has been reasonably stable lately.
However, I recently implemented Ethernet backhaul and suddenly Infuse Pro on my Apple TV would stop in the middle of playing video stored on my Drobo every 10-20 minutes.
This was my original setup:
After some initial testing I concluded there were massive amounts of packet loss (some tests up to 30%) happening somewhere.
I can detail all the things I tried to narrow the issue down to the Ethernet backhaul if it is interesting, but I finally ended up trying the most basic setup I could imagine:
Both laptops have wifi disabled.
I still see massive packet loss between the two laptops, and also from a device connected to wifi through the router to the laptop wired to the satellite:
64 bytes from 10.0.0.36: icmp_seq=1572 ttl=128 time=8.543 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.0.36: icmp_seq=1573 ttl=128 time=4.581 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.0.36: icmp_seq=1574 ttl=128 time=3.300 ms
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1575
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1576
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1577
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1578
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1579
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1580
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1581
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1582
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1583
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1584
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1585
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1586
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1587
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1588
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1589
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1590
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1591
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1592
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1593
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1594
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1595
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1596
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1597
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1598
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1599
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1600
Request timeout for icmp_seq 1601
64 bytes from 10.0.0.36: icmp_seq=1602 ttl=128 time=3.282 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.0.36: icmp_seq=1603 ttl=128 time=3.505 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.0.36: icmp_seq=1604 ttl=128 time=3.237 ms
I have unchecked "Enable Daisy-Chain Topology", no difference.
I have applied new firmwares as they have been released, currently both are at V2.2.1.21.
If I unplug the Ethernet backhaul cable (which I have replaced with a short high-quality Cat 6 cable for the test) and restart the satellite and wait for the 5G backhaul to be established I can ping both 10.0.0.33 and 10.0.0.36 with little or no packet loss from the wifi, and zero loss between the two wired laptop wired laptops.
--- 10.0.0.36 ping statistics ---
2078 packets transmitted, 2078 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.651/3.443/23.380/1.186 ms
Ping statistics for 10.0.0.33:
Packets: Sent = 2075, Received = 2075, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 13ms, Average = 2ms
I can't think of any other explanation other than that the Ethernet backhaul is at fault. I've tried multiple devices connected in different ways and multiple cables connected to different ports.
Simply disconnecting the Ethernet backhaul and leaving everything else the same greatly alleviates the problem.
However, I really want to use Ethernet backhaul as it decreases my latency for the Nintendo switch (included in the "Stuff" normally wired to the satellite) by 20-40%.
Any suggestions?
- CrimpOnJan 30, 2019Guru - Experienced User
This is probably a silly question. There are four ethernet ports on both the RBR50 and RBS50. Did you plug the CAT6 ethernet cable into the same ports that were previously used for ethernet backhaul? Do you get the same packet drop when using other combinations of ports?
- MoooseJan 30, 2019Luminary
There is no packet loss for the laptop (10.0.0.33) wired directly to the router when the using 5G backhaul or no satellite, but with the Ethernet backhaul even this laptop loses packets. See ping results below for details.
Of course, FW V2.2.1.210, copy/paste error, sorry!
For the test below, the satellite was connected to Ethernet after the 5G test, i.e. it was up and running perfectly prior to connecting the cable.
All wired devices, including the satellite, have IP address reservations.
The firmware has been updated by clicking the update button in the web interface.
I have factory-reset both units previously in an attempt to solve a different problem, although I have not downloaded the firmware file from the support page and loaded it, nor have I tried factory-resetting this time around. Is this voodoo, or is there some technical explanation why this may work? I am reluctant to do this as I have IP address reservations and port-forwarding set up the way I need it, so I would really like to avoid this route if there is anything less time-consuming I could try first.
Not a silly question at all, switching ports has solved many issues for me in the past. Regrettably not this time though, and yes, I have tried.
So, here's the test I tried this evening. I started with 5G backhaul:
From the laptop (10.0.0.19) connected to the router through wifi with 5G backhaul:--- 10.0.0.36 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9999 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 2.493/7.358/251.367/9.624 ms--- 10.0.0.33 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 10000 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.029/4.328/317.584/8.420 ms--- 10.0.0.2 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 10000 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 2.134/7.446/793.257/19.222 ms
From the laptop (10.0.0.33) Ethernet-wired to the router with 5G backhaul:--- 10.0.0.36 ping statistics ---
9080 packets transmitted, 9080 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.494/3.844/1796.147/21.845 ms
--- 10.0.0.2 ping statistics ---
9083 packets transmitted, 9083 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.181/3.478/1953.779/21.589 msFrom the laptop (10.0.0.36) Ethernet-wired to the satellite through a switch with 5G backhaul:
Ping statistics for 10.0.0.1:
Packets: Sent = 10000, Received = 10000, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 282ms, Average = 0msPing statistics for 10.0.0.2:
Packets: Sent = 10000, Received = 10000, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0msPing statistics for 10.0.0.33:
Packets: Sent = 10000, Received = 9883, Lost = 117 (1% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 17ms, Average = 0ms
I then connected the Ethernet backhaul cable:From the laptop (10.0.0.19) connected to the router through wifi with Ethernet backhaul:
-- 10.0.0.1 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9999 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.856/3.826/375.312/8.331 ms--- 10.0.0.2 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9491 packets received, 5.1% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.011/4.137/375.312/9.731 ms--- 10.0.0.4 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9989 packets received, 0.1% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.037/3.873/375.340/7.215 ms--- 10.0.0.33 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9524 packets received, 4.8% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.038/4.202/504.643/11.575 msFrom the laptop (10.0.0.33) Ethernet-wired to the router with Ethernet backhaul:
--- 10.0.0.1 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9588 packets received, 4.1% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.269/0.442/6.942/0.162 ms--- 10.0.0.2 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9486 packets received, 5.1% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.242/0.362/1.081/0.053 ms--- 10.0.0.36 ping statistics ---
10000 packets transmitted, 9564 packets received, 4.4% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.285/0.700/14.856/0.201 ms- FURRYe38Jan 30, 2019Guru - Experienced User
What happens if you disconnect the Orbi router from the ISP modem? Similar PL?
Can you try a different laptop or PC to compare results?
"From the laptop (10.0.0.19) connected to the router through wifi with Ethernet backhaul:"
When you mention this, is the laptop connnected to the Orbi router via wifi with it's ehthernet cable connected as well or disconnected? Or is this just the ethernet backhaul enabled and connected with the satellilte?
What is the mfr and model if this ISP modem. I believe it already has a built in router. Just curious is all.
Seen bad behavior after doing the auto update. Loads of users having problems using auto update. So reason for trying a file FW load and reset and setup from scratch. Helped resolve users issues in regards to auto update.
I would take a backup snapshot of the current routers configuration and save it to file. Then if you do the FW manual re-load and setup from scratch, run some tests first. Then apply the saved configuration to file.