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tln741
Nov 12, 2017Star
Orbi - why can't we change channels on satellites?
Wireless design best practice when installing multiple access points in an area is to have non-overlapping channels. So if you have 3 APs (RBR50, 2-RBS50) in an area, for 2.4 GHz, one AP would be cha...
ekhalil
Dec 29, 2018Master
FURRYe38 wrote:
On Orbi systems, you can pick primart non overlapping channels.
Users need to remember that the reason why you can't pick channels on the satellites is that they are acting as REPEATERS/Extenders, thus when repeating, they have to be on the same channel as the source wifi signal channel. This doesn't work if the satellites was on a different channel from the source wireless. Repeatersand Extenders work on the same channel for this configuration.
Orbi -and any other mesh system- IS NOT a repeater or extender and it works totally different than a repeater/extender. Yes it's possible to have the AP's on different radio channels (as some vendors implemented their mesh systems) but Netgear chose to have all APs on the same channel. Both implementations have their advantages and disadantages.
FURRYe38
Dec 29, 2018Guru - Experienced User
For lamens terms, there repeaters or extenders.
Thanks.
Being more techinal:
Wireless repeaters and mesh networks are both technologies that can be used to extend network coverage over a given area. Wireless repeaters work by taking an existing wireless signal and re-broadcasting it, while mesh networks see every device on a network directly connected to every other device without the use of a central router or switch. Wireless repeaters are usually best suited to extending the range of a small wireless network, while mesh networks are often used for high-performance business networking.
Operation
A wireless repeater is a device designed to receive wireless signals and then re-transmit them. The main difference between wireless repeaters and regular wireless routers is that repeaters can only re-transmit signals they have already received, rather than generating wireless signals of their own. Mesh networking, on the other hand, is a form of network design rather than a specific technology. In a mesh network, data travels from device to device in short hops until it reaches its destination, rather than being directed by a central device. Both wired and wireless networks can use a mesh topology.
Reliability
The principle advantage of mesh networks is their resilience. Mesh networks do not have a single point of failure, meaning that there is no chance of an individual device failure bringing the whole network down. This contrasts with regular hub-type networks, where a failure in a central router or switch could cut large parts of the network off from each other. Repeaters, on the other hand, do not increase a network's resilience. If the router or access point broadcasting the original wireless signal goes down, all repeaters on the network will be affected.
Scalability
Repeaters can help to scale a wireless network, increasing the network's range while ensuring that devices on the edge of the network still get a reasonable service. You can simply add more repeaters as the network grows, although a signal that has been repeated multiple times will not be as strong as the original signal. Mesh networks, however, do not scale well, as every new device must be connected to every other device, a process that can consume a lot of time and money.
Complexity
Mesh networks are almost always more complex than their hub counterparts, requiring specialized equipment and trained administrators to keep the network running. This complexity has a bearing on the overall cost of the network, making mesh networks expensive to set up and maintain. Wireless repeaters, on the other hand, allow you to keep your network design reasonably simple even as the network's coverage areas grows, as the signal always originates from the same wireless router.
- schumakuDec 29, 2018Guru - Experienced User
FURRYe38 the Orbi Satellite are not extenders or repeaters like the older exenders (leavling alone the Mesh Extenders) - much more they compare to a normal wireless access point where either a dedicated Ethernet port or a dedicated radio can be used to connect to the backhaul. There are three independent radios, one 5 GHz for the backhaul, two dedicated to clients (a 2.4 and a 5 GHz).
Therefore, it should be possible that the client oriented radios can operate on any set of channels - except of the channel set in use for the backhaul of course. With the wired backhaul, this limitation isn't in place at all. Would be nice to get an answer from Mark Merrill as he is leading the Netgear RF lab (among other activities) and he gave me some great tour on the labs a while ago.
PS: Similar, I can't figure out why the Arlo Base Stations are seeking the very same channel configuration like the nearest, most powerful wireless access point on 2.4 GHz.- FURRYe38Dec 29, 2018Guru - Experienced User
I know, however to keep things simple for the average home user to understand. Just saying that, at least for orbi. There using same channels as set by NG and the Chipset dev's. I presume there keeping like this as to keep things simple for everyone. Ya, hoping to get more out of Orbi, would be nice. The 3rd radio could be useful when wire connected. I saw something on my Orbi that NG maybe putting out, disabling each radios. :smileywink: Nothing official though. :smileyfrustrated:
schumaku wrote:
FURRYe38 the Orbi Satellite are not extenders or repeaters like the older exenders (leavling alone the Mesh Extenders) - much more they compare to a normal wireless access point where either a dedicated Ethernet port or a dedicated radio can be used to connect to the backhaul. There are three independent radios, one 5 GHz for the backhaul, two dedicated to clients (a 2.4 and a 5 GHz).
Therefore, it should be possible that the client oriented radios can operate on any set of channels - except of the channel set in use for the backhaul of course. With the wired backhaul, this limitation isn't in place at all. Would be nice to get an answer from Mark Merrill as he is leading the Netgear RF lab (among other activities) and he gave me some great tour on the labs a while ago.
PS: Similar, I can't figure out why the Arlo Base Stations are seeking the very same channel configuration like the nearest, most powerful wireless access point on 2.4 GHz.
- ekhalilDec 29, 2018Master
schumaku wrote:
FURRYe38 the Orbi Satellite are not extenders or repeaters like the older exenders (leavling alone the Mesh Extenders) - much more they compare to a normal wireless access point where either a dedicated Ethernet port or a dedicated radio can be used to connect to the backhaul. There are three independent radios, one 5 GHz for the backhaul, two dedicated to clients (a 2.4 and a 5 GHz).
Therefore, it should be possible that the client oriented radios can operate on any set of channels - except of the channel set in use for the backhaul of course. With the wired backhaul, this limitation isn't in place at all. Would be nice to get an answer from Mark Merrill as he is leading the Netgear RF lab (among other activities) and he gave me some great tour on the labs a while ago.
PS: Similar, I can't figure out why the Arlo Base Stations are seeking the very same channel configuration like the nearest, most powerful wireless access point on 2.4 GHz.Well described schumaku. Thank you