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pshoule's avatar
pshoule
Tutor
Jul 22, 2018

Using Router Configured as Access Point Cannot see Satellites in web browser application

I am new here but I did search the forum to try and find and answer to this question: 

 

IThe routers and satellites are all running firmware 2.1.4.16. When the router is configured as an access point and the backhaul is hard wired I can still plug my laptop in the "internet" port of the router and access the features via routerlogin.net. However it cannosee the 2 satellites hence I can't, for example, update the firmware of the satellites from a central location. Is this a known bug or have I failed to configure something here?  Is there a fix?

 

Can someone here help me?

 

Thanks

 

Simon

 

29 Replies

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    You can connect a wired PC to the satllites and log in there and update FW there...

    Are the satellites wired or wireless connected to the router? 

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor
      As I have mentionned the backhaul is hardwired meaning that all satellites and the router are plugged in the network via a switch... a netgear switch :-(

      So yes I understand, actually I knew, I could update the satellites via a direct connection but my question is: why can't ther Web app see the satellites?

      Thanks

      Simon
      • FURRYe38's avatar
        FURRYe38
        Guru - Experienced User

        What is the model of the NG switch? 

         

        Does the Routers web page see the satellites if you directly connect them to the router, by passing the switch?

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    That maybe a managed switch from the looks of it. If so, see if you can disable IGMP protocols on the switch. Other users have mentioned that disabling this, helps with Orbi systems.

     

     

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor

      Yes, they are managed switches. NG calls them "Smart Managed Plus". They have some basic management capabilities but not all the bells and whistles that come with their "Smart Managed Pro".

       

      In any case, I just checked and it seems that IGMP snooping is enabled by default on those switches and it looks like it can be disabled. I'll give it a try for sure and keep you posted on the progress... or lack thereof! :-)

       

      Many thanks

       

      Simon

      • FURRYe38's avatar
        FURRYe38
        Guru - Experienced User

        Hopefully that should do the trick. Please let us know.

         

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    Good New. I presume that disabling IGMP on the switch and the setting up the satellite in the correct manor hopefully will have solved this for you. Should be good now. Let us know how it goes.

     

     

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor

      Good Morning FURRYe38,

       

      well, the news is not very good. In fact, it's not good at all.  As you can see from the attached picture, the satellites show up as attached devices, not as satellites. Additionally, the show up as 3 different networks, all bearing the same name for some devices. So, I tried hooking up the router and satellites as in the pictures from that article I cited earlier, ie router to switch via LAN port just as the satellites. Well, the result is not good. No laptop, no phones, no tablets, no streaming music system, nothing can pass the "obtaining IP address" step in the logon to the network process. My laptop could not even open the web app whether plugged into a LAN port of the router or even plugged into the Ethernet port. Windows was telling all the while that I was connected to the network AND had internet access. Frustrating at best. So, right now I have turned off the satellites and I am running only the router, still in AP mode, but plugged into the switch via its Ethernet port. Not ideal but at least I have something to work with.

       

      I did get the manufacturer and model of my IPS modem. It's a Hitron CDA-RES. More here: http://www.hitron-americas.com/product/cda-res/

       

      So, anyone has any idea of what direction to point me into? I sure can use the help!

       

      Thanks


      Simon

       

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    What do you see when you take just 1 satellite and directly LAN connect to the back of the router? It should appear on Top in a setellite section above all the other connected devices. Also should see wired status. Also does the satellite appear in the top section if you connect the satellite via wireless with a wireless status?

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor

      Thanks FURRYe38,

       

      I will try and connect 1 satellite directly to the LAN ports of the router and report on the result. My guess is that it will show up fine. I'll try that tonight and report as I go. If you're available we can try different things "live" and see what happens.

       

      When I first installed the satellites one at a time with the wireless backhaul after resetting each to factory default, I could see the satellites properly registered with a wireless link in the top of the web app window in the satellite section of the page. Once I went to the wired backhaul with the router connected to switch via its ethernet port, the satellites appeared as you saw in the picture attached with the previous reply but at least I had a stable wireless connection. Then all hell broke loose when I went to the connection suggested in the article from NG. I must say I am a little lost and I tryedtechnical support but I can't even get the request for assistance to register. Thoroughly frustrating. 

       

      Many thanks

       

      Simon

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    Only other thing I'm thinking of is that the particular switch maybe still causing some problems. Hoping that after testing 1 satellite directly connected to router will result in a difference.

     

    Any chance you have a different non managed switch handy?

     

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor

      Well, actually I may have an older NG 4-port switch lying around somewhere. But I don't want to go there. I bought Netgear switches BECAUSE I was going to purchase the ORBI mesh and figured that they'd work together. Anyway, let's wait and see what happens when I try the direct connection. But let's face it, it would not be very good news, now would it? Plus I can't seem to get to anyone from technical support. This is all turning into a nightmare because at 225.00$/switch and well north of 600.00$ for the ORBI mesh, I truly was expecting better.

       

      I wish someone from NG would chip-in this conversation and not have to bother you with all this.

       

      Thanks FURRYe38 and I'll let you know later tonight what happened with the test.

       

      Best Regards

       

      Simon

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    Maybe you can get one of the forum moderators to chime in...

    DarrenM

    AmitR

     

    Yes lets see what happens with a direct connection...

     

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor

      I invited Darren to join the conversation but it appears we have no luck as of now :-( Maybe later?

       

      Simon

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    Who knows.

     

    Let us know how it goes with the direct connection...

     

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor

      Hello FURRYe38

       

      the attached picture speaks for itself :-( Of course the satellite appears correctly when plugged in directly.  DarrenM has offered to hook me up with L2 support. Thanks for the name. I'll send him the requested info and see.  I'll update the situation as it goes. We'll know more soon!

       

      Best regards

       

      Simon

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    I'd like you to test a different NON managed switch and see if the satellite appears in the correct section or not...Need to rule out the use of a different switch...if possible.

    • pshoule's avatar
      pshoule
      Tutor

      Got a hold of DarrenM yesterday. Sent him my coordinates and described the problem. I am hoping to get a call back from someone at NG soon. I may be able to test with a non-managed switch over the weekend. We're still living in boxes and we have loads of stuff to do to get the house operational, but I'll try and get something done in order to keep moving forward on this problem.

       

      Ciao

       

      Simon

      • FURRYe38's avatar
        FURRYe38
        Guru - Experienced User

        Understand. Hope you get things moved in. LOL.

        Ya, need to try a non managed switch. I'm hoping you'll see a difference. Keep us posted.

        Have a great weekend.