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JinTu
Aug 25, 2021Star
LM1200 repeatedly dropping link
I recently purchased an LM1200-100NAS to serve as an LTE failover connection for my homelab and noticed a strange issue while setting up my pfSense-based router to use the LM1200 as a secondary WAN c...
stuyboy
Jan 03, 2022Tutor
I use the LM1200 as a cellular backup for my broadband connection.
If I configure the LM1200 to act as a Router, it works fine with my Verizon account. But because DMZ and Port Forwarding don't work in this mode, I can't reach my hosted servers when on Broadband (98% of the time).
But if I configure the LM1200 to act as a Bridge, the backup functionality doesn't work with Verizon, because the connection keeps cutting out when failback to cellular occurs (2% of the time). It effectively is a brick between my cable modem and router, flapping every few seconds. But at least I can reach my servers 98% of the time (when on broadband).
So I've resorted to getting SIM cards from all the major providers to try to find a non-Verizon solution (AT&T, T-Mobile) that's still cost effective, and still a strong signal.
I just wish Netgear and Verizon would be able to find out why the LM1200 doesn't work in Bridge mode on the Verizon network.
Just one bug away from being an awesome failsafe cell data device on the best network (where I live).
Thank you Netgear for creating the LM1200: so close.. but yet so far...
JohnPeng
Jan 03, 2022NETGEAR Expert
Hi All,
Thanks for your patience on Verizon disconnection issue. We are still working on the fixes right now. Will keep you updated in the coming days.
Thanks
John
- AaronWTCIJan 04, 2022Aspirant
Thank you for the update. I am really hoping for this solution as this device is going to be sales tool for our msp team. I really need the ability for mobile connectivity through our firewall for demo purposes.
- stuyboyJan 11, 2022Tutor
John:
Any developments? Does the team think we're close to resolution with Verizon? Or is this still way out in terms of finding the problem?
- JohnPengJan 13, 2022NETGEAR Expert
stuyboy wrote:
John:
Any developments? Does the team think we're close to resolution with Verizon? Or is this still way out in terms of finding the problem?
We are at the final stage on debugging the issue. Verizon has been contacted and waiting for their feedback on the network logs for the disconnection issue. Still working on it.
Thanks
- newmediasoupJan 18, 2022Aspirant
Just wanted to add to this thread that I'm experiencing the same thing with a Verizon sim.
In bridge mode (which is the mode I would think it needs to be in), connected to our Orbi, it resets itself every 30 seconds or so.
Basicaly can't use it at all!
However, when I set it to Router mode (counter intuitive, since the Orbi is routing 100+ devices), it actually works.
Thankfully, theres no "Double NAT" issues. (also confusing!)
We're only using this when PGE fails, and Comcast disconnects after their battery backup runs out.
Hopefully, the way we're running it continues to work for us, but it definitiely doesn't seem correct.
Looking forward to a firmware that cleans/clears all of this up.
Thanks in advance Netgear.
Cheers,
Joel
Newmediasoup, LLC
- JohnPengJan 19, 2022NETGEAR Expert
For all customers who are experiencing constant disconnection with Verizon SIM card, could you please help to check your SIM's ICCID and let me know what is the number on the 11th digit of the ICCID? Based on Verizon, the number should not be lower than 7. We would like to determine whether the disconenction issue is due to older Verizon SIM cards.
89148000006287332959
ICCID is the numer printed on your SIM card starting with 89.
Thanks
- JinTuJan 19, 2022Star
OP here, and my ICCID's 11th digit is 7. The SIM itself was purchased directly from Verizon in August 2021.
- VinceBlackJan 19, 2022Aspirant
Hello, Checked and my ICCID is 5.
- JohnPengJan 19, 2022NETGEAR Expert
VinceBlack wrote:
Hello, Checked and my ICCID is 5.
Thanks for the confirmation. Our test SIM is 6. We are getting a replacement SIM card with higher number and will let you know whether the new SIM card can resolve the issue. If so, you can request to have your SIM card updated as well.
- stuyboyJan 19, 2022TutorMy SIM's 11th digit is 7, and I definitely experience disconnects when in bridge mode. Purchased in Dec 2021. Currently using a Net 10 SIM in the modem (att network), and in bridge mode working fine. Except Verizon coverage in my area is much better, and would prefer to switch back. Thanks for your diligence, John.
- newmediasoupJan 19, 2022AspirantThe 11th digit on my Verizon SIM is 1.
- AaronWTCIJan 20, 2022Aspirant
my 11th digit is a 6, it was also issued in fall of 2021.
- scoodoggJan 20, 2022Aspirant
My 11th digit is 4. I'm nearing the end of my return window, so I would like to get this figured out soon. Otherwise I'm probably just boxing it up and sending it back.
- JohnPengJan 20, 2022NETGEAR Expert
scoodogg wrote:
My 11th digit is 4. I'm nearing the end of my return window, so I would like to get this figured out soon. Otherwise I'm probably just boxing it up and sending it back.
Do you have another Verizon device? If so, could you please try use the SIM card on the Verizon device first. Then move the SIM card back to LM1200 to see whether the issue goes away. If the issue is there, I suggest you to return it first. You can buy it again after we fix the issue if you like.
Thanks
- AaronWTCIJan 20, 2022Aspirant
I cant return mine. At this point its im losing money and might as well punt and find a different device/service that works. Its all just a corporate hassle at this point to move on.
- JohnPengJan 21, 2022NETGEAR Expert
all For Verizon disconnection issue, the SIM card is not the culprit. We received the new SIM card and tested, but the disconnection issue still happens. Based on your feedback, we can conclude the same as well.
Provided the feedback to Verizon and waiting for new information.
Regards
- kylemaniaJan 21, 2022Aspirant
I am having the same issue. I have two LM1200s, each one connected to a Juniper SRX being used for VPN connections. If i connect the LM1200 to my laptop, no problems. Once it is connected to the firewall:
-Bridge Mode: Interface on SRX side stays fine, but the outside address on the LM1200 begins to cycle, breaking VPN.
-Router mode: Interface continues to cycle and grab new addresses, also breaking VPN.
It usually happens once the VPN connects, but that is just observation and could be a coincidence. It does only seem to start happening once the connecting is complete to the remote device.
- JohnPengJan 21, 2022NETGEAR Expert
kylemania wrote:
I am having the same issue. I have two LM1200s, each one connected to a Juniper SRX being used for VPN connections. If i connect the LM1200 to my laptop, no problems. Once it is connected to the firewall:
-Bridge Mode: Interface on SRX side stays fine, but the outside address on the LM1200 begins to cycle, breaking VPN.
-Router mode: Interface continues to cycle and grab new addresses, also breaking VPN.
It usually happens once the VPN connects, but that is just observation and could be a coincidence. It does only seem to start happening once the connecting is complete to the remote device.
Thanks for the information. In this thread, some customers mentioned the same thing that when VPN enabled router is connected to the LAN port, it triggered the disconnection. We will check more on this direction.
Regards
- stuyboyJan 21, 2022Tutor
Because so many of us were able to make a PC/Desktop work on Verizon on the LM1200 vs a Router...
Would pursue differentiation between network protocol of Router as client vs PC as client. Main difference likely being the Network Address Translation (NAT). Routers serve internal clients by using random high ports on the outbound connection (how a router knows to route a packet back to your specific desktop/phone).
Verizon must be detecting source traffic not coming out of port 80 or 443? Or perhaps the random nature of the high port #s? Seems very strange that Verizon is able to detect a router vs a singular PC attached to the LTE modem as the IP protocol should appear the same on the wire. (https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005779887-Intro-to-Networking-Network-Address-Translation-NAT-and-the-Internet). The only difference is traffic coming out of the router is constantly on a random port (the router uses this port to then map back to your internal machine).
Verizon is obviously doing something funny there in detecting the behavior a Router is exhibiting on its network vs a PC. I assume this "Bridge" code is also unique to the LM1200, as this Verizon bug doesn't seem to affect any of Netgear's other LTE/Hotspot products?
Just some ideas.
- scoodoggJan 24, 2022Aspirant
I moved the sim card into the Jetpack hotspot and back. This did not help.
I guess I'll start boxing this thing back up. Such a shame. It was pretty nice when it worked.
- sokobanzJan 27, 2022Aspirant
Not only 1200, it happens with my LAX20 as well on Verizon. i do have both and both having a same issie
Firmware Version:EC25AFFDR07A09M4G
App Version:NTG9X07C_20.06.09.00
Web App Version:LM1200-HDATA_03.03.103.201
Hardware Version:1.0
- JohnPengJan 29, 2022NETGEAR Expert
sokobanz wrote:
Not only 1200, it happens with my LAX20 as well on Verizon. i do have both and both having a same issie
Firmware Version:EC25AFFDR07A09M4G
App Version:NTG9X07C_20.06.09.00
Web App Version:LM1200-HDATA_03.03.103.201
Hardware Version:1.0
Thanks for the new info. Will check internal with LAX20 engineer to find some details. You can retrun the device now if you can only use Verizon SIM with it. Will try to resolve it soon.