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Apr 28, 2026Luminary
WIFI 8
You all see wifi 8 is now a thing and other companies promoting it. I thought the orbi 970 was future proofing ? with this new wifi 8 it seems like we are soon to be getting new hardware again for wi...
schumaku
Apr 29, 2026Guru - Experienced User
StephenB wrote:That said, there is more to WiFi 7 than 6 ghz - including more efficient modulation and MLO.
For both WiFi 7 and WiFi 8 the max theoretical data rate is 46 Gb/s.
I'm always buffed on how people are walking into marketing traps.
One good example is Multi-Link Operation (MLO). While this looks interesting, fancy, and very promising to reach higher bandwidth over the air, almost the only application for MLO are wireless backhaul on real-word-existing Mesh system. Almost and of April 2026 now, there are virtually -no- real concurrent usage MLO wireless clients available. Another overly marketing pushy Wi-Fi vendor still writes:
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MLO also requires MLO-compatible client devices, such as laptops with Intel BE200 wireless adapters, the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, and the Google Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro.
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Education or marketing? Pure marketing lies! None of these devices are (or will ever) supporting true MLO. They might allow just MLSR (Multi-Link Single Radio) or EMLSR (Enhanced Multi-Link Single Radio). True MLO - with all marketing promises attached - would mean Async MLMR (Asynchronous Multi-Link Multi-Radio) or Sync MLMR (Synchronous Multi-Link Multi-Radio).
You know, why? Neither there is enough power available on the common industry standard whatever-laptop-PCI slots, nor on a single USB-C. Laptop PCIe-slots with PCIe Gen 3 operates at 8 GT/s (gigatransfers per second) which roughly translates to 1 GB/s per PCIe lane. On newer laptops by comparison, PCIe Gen 4 operates at 16 GT/s, or around 2 GB/s (gigabytes per second) per PCIe lane. All speeds are simplex, so one way only, no concurrent duplex. Sure, dreamers are talking of PCIe Gen 5 operating at 32 GT/s, or about 8 GB/s - something still to come.
The mechanical format of M.2 (NGFF) Connector is limited to max four lanes: PCIe x4 (main interface for high-performance NVMe SSDs), SATA (optional, depending on host support). Three socket types exist:
- Socket 1, typically wireless (WiâFi/Bluetooth), often Key A/E (PCIe x1)
- Socket 2, typically WWAN or SSD (SATA/PCIe x2) on some designs.
- Socket 3, typically NVMe storage (PCIe x4 or PCIe x2 + SATA, PCIe x4), commonly Key M or B+M.
Rounding up, USB
- USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 (raw data rate 500 MB/s, 5 Gb/s)
- USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 (raw data rate 1212 MB/s, 10 Gb/s)
- USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (raw data rate 2424 MB/s, 20 Gb/s)
So how these WiFi 7 and WiFi 8 bandwidth should come in reality from any device (real world mobile devices, notebooks, ...) to the air is out in the blue.
StephenB wrote:Though MLO is still a work-in-progress for Netgear (and other vendors).
True MLO concurrently using more than a single band certainly has a future where high performance wired copper or fiber connections aren't an option - in true MLO . This comes - as Orbi 9 customers already know - comes at a (high) price point.
The currently unique full MLO capable WiFi 7 client (UniFi AirWire) is - while comparably inexpensive - perfect proof what effort is required on the host side to provide the physical connections(!) to allow Sync MLMR (Synchronous Multi-Link Multi-Radio) - this is what allows their STR MLO - in my understanding requiring more power than a common single USB 3.2 port on a host does supply) .
However, this continues to be a niche market for now, no matter if we're talking of WiFi 7 or WiFi 8.
- StephenBApr 29, 2026Guru - Experienced User
schumaku wrote:
One good example is Multi-Link Operation (MLO). While this looks interesting, fancy, and very promising to reach higher bandwidth over the air, almost the only application for MLO are wireless backhaul on real-word-existing Mesh system.
FWIW, I also am skeptical about MLO becoming mainstream in clients anytime soon (and I wouldn't be surprised if it never goes mainstream).
- donawaltApr 29, 2026Hero - Experienced User
One good example is Multi-Link Operation (MLO). While this looks interesting, fancy, and very promising to reach higher bandwidth over the air, almost the only application for MLO are wireless backhaul on real-word-existing Mesh system. Almost and of April 2026 now, there are virtually -no- real concurrent usage MLO wireless clients available. Another overly marketing pushy Wi-Fi vendor still writes:
MLO also requires MLO-compatible client devices, such as laptops with Intel BE200 wireless adapters, the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, and the Google Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro.
I think you have forgotten about the last two model years, soon to be three, of Apple's iPhone, and their current model of MacBook Pro laptops. Probably some Apple desktops support it too. This is a massive number of consumer and business devices, and it can be a benefit to reliability of connections without the little micro drops that happen in a mesh world - so apps like Zoom, remote desktop, FaceTime, Virtual Desktop Technologies may run smoother. It can help in latency-sensitive apps too, as traffic can be split or dynamically routed over the lowest-latency link at any moment. This is especially useful in environments where running ethernet is not practical. Under the covers there are benefits in the management of the network in terms of congestion triage, power use, traffic capacity, and band steering options; but people don't see that, they only see the lack of those network tools if their network performance suffers.
And on the 971 it works well - it just happens as long as the Apple device is configured for "Automatic WiFi 6E", which then uses the max wifi, whether that's WiFi 6 or MLO, that the device supports. There is no configuration on the server.
But it's still rolling out, to be sure - it doesn't help stuff like everybody's favorite app web browsing, many apps are not MLO-aware, and I doubt there are any MLO-compliant coffee shop networks around đ
- StephenBApr 29, 2026Guru - Experienced User
donawalt wrote:
I think you have forgotten about the last two model years, soon to be three, of Apple's iPhone, and their current model of MacBook Pro laptops.
Yeah, he didn't call them out. Those support EMLSR mode correct?
schumakuâ did say that EMLSR (and MLSR) would be out there.
donawalt wrote:
Under the covers there are benefits in the management of the network in terms of congestion triage, power use, traffic capacity, and band steering options; but people don't see that, they only see the lack of those network tools if their network performance suffers.
Certainly with ethernet, multigig outperforms LAGs on home networks. And MLO is essentially a form of link aggregration.
My general view is that there is a lot of complexity under the covers with link aggregation, and that performance gains in practice are disappointing unless you have a lot of simultaneous flows to manage. Enterprise networks have that (at least on their trunks). But I don't think many home networks do. Personally I think using 320 mhz channels is the better path for most home users, combined with IoT networks that keep lower bandwidth devices off the 6 ghz client network.