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Des73
Aspirant
Aug 18, 2021

RAX200 (AX12) weaker & slower than R7000 - (I've lost 70Mbs and WiFi is plop)

Hi Guys,

Ive just installed my new AX12 router in the same place as my old R7000.

The only thing ive changed is the SSIDs to what I had before so all network devices can work again.

(I will change this at a later date).

 

Everything is the same except the router.

I have a BT FTTP connection with a fibre modem in the house downstairs.

I am in the upstairs office about 6/7m from the router.  (Its a new build house so wood walls).

 

Slow Internet

I used to get a constant 270Mbs download using SPEEDTEST app on a MAC.

Now its 200Mbs if I am lucky!!!!    Where has 70Mbs gone?

 

I was expecting this new router to be at least the same out of the box, or am I missing something?

Surely only the WIFI has changed not the internet speed?

 

Crappy WiFi 

Also, I used to get a solid 3 bars on my phone for WiFi strength, I now only get 2 on 2.4 and 5G?

(This is in the same upstairs office about 6/7m from the router).

It wont even pick up one of the 5G channels its so weak.

I was expecting this to deffinately be better than before

 

Any help please?

I am hoping I am making some schoolboy error somewhere.....

I will start to look around on hear to see if anyone else has had problems.

I just didnt expect to / or want to have to start looking at tweaking channels and checking interference with a much superior product.....

 

Cheers,

Des.

 

22 Replies

  • What wireless card is in the mac? 

    Have you tried changing the channels the rax200 is on? Maybe theres interference on one. 

    have you tried speedtesting on each of the 2x 5ghz bands? and not just one? 

    What speed do you have set for the rax? is it set for "up to 4800mbps"

     

    • Des73's avatar
      Des73
      Aspirant
      Hi,
      Thanks for replying so fast.
      Its all default setting at the mo.
       

      What wireless card is in the mac?    AirPort Extreme  (0x14E4, 0x134)    (Its an old MBP)

      Have you tried changing the channels the rax200 is on? Maybe theres interference on one. - Not yet

      Ive got WIFI Explorer and I’ve added a screen shot below if that helps. (I dont really understand it all)....
      My printer seems to have a stronger signal than my 2.4G network?

      have you tried speedtesting on each of the 2x 5ghz bands? and not just one? 

      2.4G Auto - Upto 1200Mbs - Speed 35Mbs fluctuating  (Used to be 10Mbs solid)
      5G1 44 - Up to 4800Mbs - Speed 200Mbs fluctuating (Used to be 270 solid)
      5G2 100 - Up to 2400Mbs - Speed 280Mbs pretty solid       (Sorry about the name im childish :)......

      What speed do you have set for the rax? is it set for "up to 4800mbps” - As above.

       

  • If your area is not congested, on the WiFi settings, uncheck the 20/40MHz coexistance setting for the 2.4GHz band. Newer netgear routers have been more willing to drop to 20 MHz channel width when overlapping APs are detected. While it is useful if the overlapping APs are highly active. If they are not very active where you will end up with a ton of airtime sharing issues, then you will notice a near doubling of the performance on the 2.4GHz band.

     

    For 5GHz, it should be significantly faster, The RAX200 with a 2 stream 802.11ax client, is able to deliver a real world throughput of 1.8Gbps to 1.9Gbps on a 2.4Gbps PHY rate. Furthermore compared to the R7000, it also has a significantly higher transmit power on both the 2.4GHz and 5GHz band. Beyond that, one area that Netger does well in, is improving receiver sensitivity and minimizing self-noise, thus maintaining higher speeds across a given range (less of a dropoff), thus even in those cases, performance still improves.

     

    The one exception, is if you use DFS channels, If you do not have any devices that support 160MHz channel width on the 5GHz band, then change the WiFi mode from "Up to 4800 Mbps" to "Up to 2400 Mbps", this is because in the US the FCC unneessarily restricts any transmissions that enter the DFS range to a max of 250mW instead of the normal 1000mW. That will cause the router to use 80MHz channel width on the 5GHz band, which will allow it to avoid the use of DFS channels.

     

    Depending on the AP, sometimes signal strengths can change, e.g., if you move from a model that has 2dBi antnnas, to 5dBi antennas, then clients a floor above or below the WiFi router will see a small drop in signal strength. Furthermore signal strength can be unreliable of some lower end WiFi adapters if very close to the router, since some lower end WiFi radios handle receiver overload rather poorly.

     

     

  • OP, I wonder if you've received a lemon RAX200? I'm also using a RAX200 on a TalkTalk FTTP Fibre 900 line and the RAX200 is the best router I've ever used. I'm getting 800+Mbps over wifi 6 almost anywhere in the home (new-ish double storey) and even wifi 5 clients give me around 600 Mbps. These are the settings I'm using:

     

    RAX200_2G: channel 6, up to 1200 Mbps

    RAX200_5G1: channel 48, up to 4800 Mbs

    RAX200_5G2: channel 157, up to 2400 Mbps

    Mu-Mimo ON

    Enable OFDMA ON (all)

    Enable Beamforming ON

     

    Try the above settings.

     

     

    • Des73's avatar
      Des73
      Aspirant
      Hi,
       
      Well that didn’t go well, I’ve now lost my higher 5G2 network.
       
      I turned on: 
      Enables Mu-Mimo  - Was Off
      Enable OFDMA ON (all) - Was Off, turned on for all 3 networks.
      Enable Beamforming - Was On out of the box
       
      I bounced the router after changes.  No improvement and 5G2 gone!
       
      I have reversed all settings back and bounced the router.
      Still no 5G2 network…..  I wanna cry  lol
       
      WTF is wrong with this thing…..
       
      Cheers,
      Des.
      • Des73's avatar
        Des73
        Aspirant

        ok, after 10mins the 5G2 network is back.

         

        I will add the settings one by one and wait 10minutes this time.

        I will either find what caused it, or work out that I was being impatient because of my frustration....