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Robert_Tompkins
Apr 05, 2020Tutor
CM700 high US/UnCorrectables
Hi all, I have been experiencing internet issues for the last 3 years at my home. I found that my US(Upstream) power (modem transmitting data to the ISP) was intermittently maxing out (I forget th...
- Apr 05, 2020
Have the ISP check the signal and line quality UP to the modem.
Be sure there are not coax cable line splitters in the between the modem and ISP service box.
Be sure your using good quality RG6 coax cable up to the modem.FYI:
FURRYe38
Apr 06, 2020Guru - Experienced User
Ya I remember the older days of Arris. I was highly disappointed they bought Motorolas Modem division back in 2011/12 time frame. Though I did try there 6183 and it's solid. They have improved since then.
The CM1000 should work well...Let us know.
Robert_Tompkins
Apr 08, 2020Tutor
Awesome, so after setting up our new CM1000 (v2) I ran the 1mS/1Min test again via PingPlotter to www.google.com.
I am no longer seeing those 200mS spikes; jitter is ~10-20mS and remains this way.
However, after setting it up on my lunch break and returning home to check out the log; I noticed each channel had ~>100 UnCorrectables and 100-500 Correctables.
My US Power levels for each of the 4 channels was 50dBmV (I'd be much more comfortable with ~45dBmV.
Attached is my Modem Log following reboot ~30min ago.
(I had to modify some of the HTML/delete elements/reduce fontSize in order to get DS and US to be displayed in one snapshot.)
Not sure why this new FW has such a buggy GUI for displaying Cable Connection Stats..
Anyway, I'll play around with this new modem a bit and maybe inspect my coax for any ingress/coupled noise sources if I have T3's down the road. Thanks for your help again, FURRYe38
- FURRYe38Apr 08, 2020Guru - Experienced User
OK, I would have the ISP run the line check at aswell. Have them review the logs as well.
Hope fully you or they can find where the main issue is.
- Robert_TompkinsApr 11, 2020TutorHey FURRYe38,
I’m having a hard time deciding between:
attenuator/splitter or NO attenuator/splitter.
Could I get your opinion? Opinions from others are welcome as well.
The ‘attenuator’ is just a 2-way splitter (-3.5dBm) with only 1 used Output, I left the unused terminal OPEN. If you feel I should connect a 50/70 Ohm resistor between signal conductor and GND rather than leave it floating, let me know. This attenuator is connected at the drop.
Here are some details/stats.
NO ATTENUATION:
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Downstream:
My DS PWR Level for Channels 1-24 range from +2.4 to +3.5 dBmV.
SNR/MER Range = 41.4 to 43.1dB
The following stats are from 50 Hours of UpTime with ~3.85E9 UnErrored CodeWords/Channel:
Correctables range from 500-2500(as frequency increases, Correctables INCREASE)
UnCorrectables range from 400-600(as frequency increases, UnCorrectables DECREASE)
Upstream:
PWR Levels:
46.8 dBmV
47.0 dBmV
48.0 dBmV
48.0 dBmV
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WITH ATTENUATION:
Downstream:
My DS PWR Level for Channels 1-24 range from -0.8dBmV to +0.0dBmV.
SNR/MER Range = 42.0 to 43.5dBmV.
The following stats are from 18 Hours of UpTime with ~2.87E9 UnErrored CodeWords/Channel:
Correctables range from 13-378 (as frequency increases, Correctables INCREASE)
UnCorrectables range from 62-98 (seemingly no correlation with deltaFrequency)
Upstream:
PWR Levels:
49.8 dBmV
50.3 dBmV
51.3dBmV
51.3 dBmV
I would copy/paste my logs, but all I have are screenshots of the old log, split between 2 separate images.
I noticed that WITHOUT the -3.5dB drop, my DS levels were all ~ +3.5dBmV, so a 3.5dB drop here would be perfect to hit unity. But as I expected, installing the splitter brought my (Already borderline HIGH) US levels From ~47.5dBmV up to ~ 50dBmV. I vaguely remember reading specs for the CM1000 indicating it was capable of ~54dBmV. This may be standard for all Modems, but still.
So based on the trade-offs described above.. would I be better off WITH or WITHOUT the splitter? Thoughts? Concerns?
I’ve noticed no differences in Download/Upload speeds via Speedtest.net.
However, I just noticed that PingPlotter is currently showing some problems. Like an elevated Latency Floor referenced to when I first set up my CM1000. The Jitter directly following CM1000 setup was <5mS. Currently it is regularly jumping to 30mS, averaging around 10-15mS. I’m going to remove the splitter and try again right now to remove any possible changes caused by temperature/time/neighbor loading, etc. Still, thoughts? - Robert_TompkinsApr 11, 2020TutorDisregard the PingPlotter stats I mentioned above.... I’m an idiot lol. I connected my laptop to the Ethernet cable connected to the TV. I left the WiFi Enabled, so those stats were via WiFi connection..
- Robert_TompkinsApr 20, 2020TutorHere’s an update:
I noticed that my Correctables/unCorrectables were still reaching >1,000 / channel within 24-48 hours following CM1000 install.
My US Power levels were typically ~47dBmV/channel and were periodically maxing out and causing T3/T4’s just like before.
Adding a splitter to attenuate any potential noise at the drop did not change my SNR/MER levels much, they remained 39-43.
So I bought a female-female adapter that had terminals for proper grounding. So I connected the drop directly to my coax line upstairs where my modem is connected (just like before) but this time with proper grounding. - NO CHANGE -
I researched a bit and ended up buying a 100ft Quad Shielded Coax from Amazon so I could run this temporarily from the drop to my modem upstairs. If this worked well and problems went away, I would know that my coax in the walls is the Root Cause.
Here’s the cable I bought:
100ft Weather Seal Quad Shield Outdoor 3GHZ RG-6 Coaxial Cable 75 Ohm (Satellite TV or Broadband Internet) Anti Corrosion Brass Connector RG6 Fittings Assembled in USA by PHAT Satellite INTL
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GBX8HIG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_5HENEbFNQ5AMD
Unfortunately, ~113 hours of UpTime, and each Channel has >2,000 correctables/unCorrectables just like before.
Adding the splitter in series with this new cable causes the US to increase to max and cause T3/T4’s as well.
So this means that the Root Cause must be somewhere on Spectrum’s end. Whether it be someone in the neighborhood introducing noise, an issue at the node or something else.
I feel better having ruled out issues on my end, and I don’t expect this to be resolved in a timely manner, as is no surprise I’m sure based on TimeWarner/Spectrum’s history with resolving these types of issues.
Just for fun/reference I will include a capture of my log today. I’ve been taking a screenshot of my log/cable connection every day, so I have the daily history too which may come in handy.
Let me know if you notice anything I missed!
Thanks. - FURRYe38Apr 20, 2020Guru - Experienced User
I would have a tech come onsite and you can show him and he can test while your there. I would ask him to put on a different modem to test as well.