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Paul-NG
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Mar 03, 2021

Pre-purchase Questions - RN424

Hello all, I hope you will be able to help with a few questions (I have looked though the 300 odd page manual - impressed)

I hope to be purchasing one of these shortly.

 

1) I see most RN424 listed (on amazon for example) as max 40Tb (4x10) capacity but NG lists them as max 48Tb (4x12)

  • Is there newer hardware to allow 48Tb or is this a OS change to allow 48Tb
  • If hardware, what else has been upgrade - proc/mem seems to be lists same for both
  • Assuming hardware, will the 48T max version just filter thou to the supply channels or will this be a specific item

 

2) X-Raid / Flex-Raid

  • Have I understood the manual correctly in that X-Raid automates Raid expansions ie mirror/raid 1 to raid 5 when 3rd disc added, and flex-Raid lets you choose whats to occur or is there more to the differences than thats.
  • Initially I want to have 2x 10T mirrored, and 2x4T mirrored which will start with just one 4T till I copy over the data
    Is this best suited to X-Raid or Flex-Raid or some other process

 

3) Internet

Whilst i like the idea of having access remotely to my data and will likely set up the device for that I prefer to have my data inside my network behind a firewall and not directly connected to my router

  • Having setup remote access directly connected to my router, if I move NAS behind my FW is there a list of ports/direction of flow to allow on a FW (I'm quite happy setting up port forwarding on router) ?
  • or can you restrict Eth ports to specific volumes, ie from above could I restricted Eth0 to my 10T and Eth1 to 4T or even to specific shares (or LUNs)

 

 

Many thanks in advance for your help

Paul

6 Replies


  • Paul-NG wrote:

     

    1) I see most RN424 listed (on amazon for example) as max 40Tb (4x10) capacity but NG lists them as max 48Tb (4x12)

    • Is there newer hardware to allow 48Tb or is this a OS change to allow 48Tb

    Neither.  There is no known limit on the max disk size.  Netgear datasheets generally use the largest compatible disk size at the time the datasheet is published (and don't update them just because a bigger disk comes onto the market).  Netgear's hardware HCL includes 3 16TB models, and the newer 18 TB drives that came onto the market last year are also likely to work. 

     

    I do recommend using either NAS-purposed disks (e.g., WD RED Plus or Seagate Ironwolf) or enterprise class. 

     


    Paul-NG wrote:

     

    2) X-Raid / Flex-Raid

    • Have I understood the manual correctly in that X-Raid automates Raid expansions ie mirror/raid 1 to raid 5 when 3rd disc added, and flex-Raid lets you choose whats to occur or is there more to the differences than thats.
    • Initially I want to have 2x 10T mirrored, and 2x4T mirrored which will start with just one 4T till I copy over the data
      Is this best suited to X-Raid or Flex-Raid or some other process

    Is there a reason why you want two volumes?  With XRAID you could start with 2x10+4TB in a single volume - which would give you 14 TB of capacity with redundancy.  (2x10+2x4TB would give you 18 TB).

     

    XRAID only offers one volume, and manages expansion automatically.  One limitation is that added or upgraded disks either need to be at least as large as the biggest disk in the array, or match the size of another disk that is in the array (or was in the past).  So if you started with 2x10TB, you couldn't add a 4 TB drive.   Another limitation is that vertical expansion isn't available if you use volume encryption.  Personally I don't recommend volume encryption - it really doesn't offer much in the way of added security, and it would preclude data recovery if that is ever needed.

     

    FlexRAID gives you control over the RAID mode (and offers modes that XRAID doesn't), but is quite a bit more complicated.  One significant flaw in FlexRAID is that you cannot expand vertically. 

     

    IMO XRAID is the best option for most users. 

     

    One thing (a bit tangential) is that you should have a backup plan in place for the NAS.   RAID protection isn't enough to keep your data safe.  As your storage needs grow, you also should grow your backup capacity.  There are several options for backup, the cheapest is probably USB drives.  You do want to make sure they are CMR (not SMR).  SMR are fine for archival, but they can be very slow for backup.


    Paul-NG wrote:

     

    3) Internet

    Whilst i like the idea of having access remotely to my data and will likely set up the device for that I prefer to have my data inside my network behind a firewall and not directly connected to my router

    • Having setup remote access directly connected to my router, if I move NAS behind my FW is there a list of ports/direction of flow to allow on a FW (I'm quite happy setting up port forwarding on router) ?
    • or can you restrict Eth ports to specific volumes, ie from above could I restricted Eth0 to my 10T and Eth1 to 4T or even to specific shares (or LUNs)

     


    I'm not clear on whether your entire network is behind the firewall, or if you are connecting some devices that will use the NAS directly to the router.  

     

    There is no comprehensive list of ports - but the various services are set up to use well known ports, so you can easily google the information needed for NTP, SMB, NFS, etc.  Some services (for instance FTP) do give you control over ports in the NAS.

     

    There are some services (particularly DLNA and RAIDar) that require broadcast discovery.  Those will work for devices behind the firewall, but not for devices connected to your router.  The other services would require port forwarding in the firewall if you want to use them for devices connected to the router. 

     

    If some of these services are used for remote access, you'd also need to forward them in the router to the firewall. But generally I don't recommend that.  Instead I'd go with a VPN - they are much easier to secure.  Many routers (and perhaps your firewall) support OpenVPN.  ZeroTier is another option, and there is an app for it on the NAS. 

     

    Generally OpenVPN gives you full access to the home network, and doesn't use cloud services for NAT traversal (though it does require DDNS).

     

    ZeroTier is more fine-grained - you set up a virtual network, and limit it to specific devices.  But it does depend on a cloud service for NAT traversal, and of course you need to trust it.

     

    Both have free clients for Windows, MacOS, iOS, and Android.

     

    Netgear does have their own cloud service for remote access (ReadyCloud).  I don't use it myself (performance can be hit-or-miss, and they don't provide as much information on security as I would like).  But it is worth considering, and many folks here are using it.

    • Paul-NG's avatar
      Paul-NG
      Aspirant

      Many thanks Stephen for prompt responses

       

      1) Max 48T or 40T - excellent that its just documentation catching up 

       

      2) X-Raid / Flex-Raid / Mirroring x2 sets

      This is my first steps in to NAS and starting out I error on side of caution, perhaps overly so  :-)

      • Part of reason for 2 mirrored sets 10Tx2 & 4Tx2 is i have the 4T's already and they would have no other use
      • The other is should I have a chassis failure I believe I could mount 1 of each pair on a linux box supporting the Btrfs NAS file system in an emergency whilst the chassis is replaced  - am I correct on this?
      • On the subject of failures, I see that NetGear appear to have a good reputation with shipping replacement unit were failures confirmed ahead of the return of the faulty unit, is this also during the 1st year or do you have to go via the oriignal supplier for 1st year

      3) Internet

      Thanks, I'll do some more reading on this, but all my devices PC's/TV etc are on the inside of my FW. Anything allowed inbound connects to a DMZ LAN which is where I had envisiaged placed the NAS

       

      Many thanks again

       

       

      • StephenB's avatar
        StephenB
        Guru

        Paul-NG wrote:

         

        • Part of reason for 2 mirrored sets 10Tx2 & 4Tx2 is i have the 4T's already and they would have no other use
        • The other is should I have a chassis failure I believe I could mount 1 of each pair on a linux box supporting the Btrfs NAS file system in an emergency whilst the chassis is replaced  - am I correct on this?

         


        As I tried to say, you can use 2x10TB+2x4TB in XRAID also - they just wouldn't be in a mirrored set.  The upside is that you'd get more capacity (18 TB instead of 14TB). 

         

        Recovery from chassis failure is possible either way, though you'd need at least three of the disks connected to the linux box if you use XRAID.  Though you should keep in mind that chassis failures can result in data corruption, so there are scenarios where RAID recovery software (or specialized skills) are needed.  Two mirrored sets does simplify recovery a bit, though personally I rely on backup - since recovery is always uncertain.

         


        Paul-NG wrote:
        • On the subject of failures, I see that NetGear appear to have a good reputation with shipping replacement unit were failures confirmed ahead of the return of the faulty unit, is this also during the 1st year or do you have to go via the oriignal supplier for 1st year

         


        I've never had to RMA a unit myself (though some years back I did get a new PSU for a very old NV+ from Netgear support).

         

        The hardware warranty on the RN424 is 5 years for the original purchaser.  The warranty is not transferable, so there is no warranty (or software support) available for used equipment.  My understanding is that you need to pay shipping on the returned unit, and Netgear will pay shipping on the replacement.  Not ideal, but it is what it is.

         

        Whether it is best to return a faulty NAS to the seller or the manufacturer depends on consumer laws in your geography.  I'm in the US, and here it is possible to exchange the unit with the seller if it fails immediately after purchase - but after that you have to return it to the manufacturer.  But I believe that can be very different in other countries. 

          

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