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Augestflex
Feb 17, 2022Aspirant
Hope to Get Data & Volume: Volume Degraded --> No Volume
First, I apologize, this is a long thread, but I wanted to provide as much context and details as possible. I've reached out to free chat support for help but was wondering if anyone has any know...
- Feb 18, 2022
Augestflex wrote:
The drives have arrived, so with the configuration backed up, I've gone ahead and replaced disk #2, per chat support recommendation, with one of the new drives.
Upon regular bootup, the volume/shares aren't shown, and there is top message int he admin page that says:
Remove inactive volumes to use the disk. Disk #3,4.
I didn't think it would resync - I.suspect the support person was mostly hoping.
StephenB
Feb 17, 2022Guru - Experienced User
I wish you'd posted here before you started replacing disks.
Augestflex wrote:
I went for the 8TB WD Red Plus NAS Drive (bummer as I would later learn.) Didn't know it wasn't compatible at the time.
WD Red Plus drives are compatible, even though the current model number isn't on the HCL. Netgear is quite slow to add new models. In general NAS-purposed drives (WD Red Plus, IronWolf), and enterprise class are all compatible. The exception is the current WD Red line - which all use SMR technology.
I don't know who you talked to in support, but I believe they gave you wrong information. For some years now, Netgear mods have described the HCL as a more of a guide than a true compatibility list.
In any event, there's nothing in your narrative (other than the one comment from chat) that suggests the 8 TB WD Plus drives caused any of the problems you are seeing. You began by adding a disk instead of replacing it, then later on panicked and put a failing drive back into the NAS. Then a second drive (the oldest disk) failed. So it appears to me (w/o logs of course) that the problems are all caused by issues with two of the original drives.
Augestflex wrote:
Then I hot removed #2 from the NAS:
Current state:
Bay #1-4 TB WD Red [Compatible]
Bay #2-EMPTY
Bay #3-8 TB WD Red [Compatible]
Bay #4-8 TB WD Red [NOT Compatible]
Bay #5-EMPTY
Bay #6-EMPTY
At this point I received a Volume Degraded message, which frankly freaked me out.
After doing some web searching without a ton of luck I then made the next big mistake hoping to remove the volume degraded message.
I put #2 back into the NAS ...
Current state:
Bay #1-4 TB WD Red [Compatible] - FAILED/DEAD
Bay #2-8 TB WD Red [Compatible](increasing reallocated sector count)
Bay #3-8 TB WD Red [Compatible]
Bay #4-8 TB WD Red [NOT Compatible]
Bay #5-EMPTY
Bay #6-EMPTY
Once Restoring data finished the volume was changed to DEAD.
Was the volume dead at this point? Or just disk 1?
It looks like what happened is that disk 1 failed (perhaps stressed by by multiple resyncs). If it failed during the resync of disk 2, then the volume would have failed. If it failed after the resync completed, then the volume would not have failed.
I'm thinking disk 1 failed after the resync completed, and that the volume wasn't dead. If it was dead, you would not have seen any data on it from Windows (and in fact you could). The disk errors on disk 2 could have resulted in the missing data you saw.
Augestflex wrote:
Unfortunately since taking the actions with support from the chat option, when I start up the NAS I receive the following notifications in the Admin UI:
- Remove inactive volumes to use the disk. Disk #1,2,3,4.
- Detected increasing reallocated sector count [####] on disk 2 messages
I can understand the issues with disk #1, #2, #4, but am confused as #3 should be okay. I even feel like #2 should be okay just with warnings...
Is it still showing disk 1 as dead?
RAID spreads the data evenly across all four disks. One potential problem is when data isn't written for some reason, the four disks can get out of sync. (There are counters on each disk, so this can be detected). When this happens, the NAS will give you the inactive volume message.
Whether the errors on disk 2 should be understood "warnings" depends on how many there are - and also how rapidly they are increasing. Can you let us know what the counts are?
Augestflex wrote:
Thoughts on how to proceed?
Honestly, it depends on how much your data is worth to you. You've ended up in a bit of a mess, and it might not be easy to untangle.
One possibility here is that you will need to start over - doing a factory reset with all the new drives in place. Then gather what you can of the old data from PCs, USB drives, or whatever other sources you have.
First,I wouldn't replace disk 2 at this point.
Second, if your data is worth the cost, then you should get professional data recovery. Netgear offers a recovery service, you can see details here: https://kb.netgear.com/69/ReadyNAS-Data-Recovery-Diagnostics-Scope-of-Service Note that doing more on your own might make things worse. If professional recovery is the right path, then you should start down it right away.
If professional recovery is unaffordable, then I'd suggest that you should get a new set of logs, and ask one of the mods (perhaps Marc_V ) to review both the original set you provided support, and also the current ones. If you have case numbers, you could maybe also give them that info, as they can review the case info that support has.
Another thing you could try is
- power down
- remove disk 1
- reboot in READ-ONLY mode (ask if you don't know how to do that).
and see you can access any data. If you can, then power down immediately, and post back.
- AugestflexFeb 17, 2022Aspirant
Hello Stephen,
I really appreciate your analysis and thoughtful response and am happy to hear that disk #4 may be alright. It was surprising to me that it did the sync and reshaping and showed as healthy considering chat support had indicated it is not counting as one of the disks in the RAID.
I very much wish I had posted before replacing disks. Esp. since many of the models on the compatibility list for the RN516 don't even appear to be sold anymore.
Regarding your notes about the value of the data to me, I'm less worried about the data backup of my PC as my PC is still functioning fine. I have most, but unfortunately not all, of the photos, music, videos backed up in Google Drive so I can work on a path to download that while I pursue a path to recovery if the volume cannot be rebuilt.
To answer your questions:
- Was the volume dead at this point? Or just disk 1?
It looks like the volume failed and then disk #1 failed., note I've removed snapshot messages and all the increasing reallocated sector count warnings.
Feb 15, 2022 12:15:22 PM Disk: Disk in channel 2 (Internal) changed state from RESYNC to ONLINE.
Feb 14, 2022 09:52:41 AM Disk: Disk in channel 1 (Internal) changed state from ONLINE to FAILED.
Feb 14, 2022 09:46:10 AM Volume: Volume data health changed from Degraded to Dead.
Feb 14, 2022 01:00:11 AM Volume: Volume data is Degraded.
Feb 13, 2022 03:15:09 PM Volume: Resyncing started for Volume data.
Feb 13, 2022 03:11:55 PM Disk: Disk Model:WDC WD80EFZX-68UW8N0 Serial:VJHAWEHX was added to Channel 2 of the head unit.
Feb 13, 2022 02:36:30 PM Volume: The resync operation finished on volume data. However, the volume is still degraded.
Feb 13, 2022 02:36:20 PM Disk: Disk Model:WDC WD80EFZX-68UW8N0 Serial:VJHAWEHX was removed from Channel 2 of the head unit.
Feb 13, 2022 02:36:19 PM Volume: Volume data health changed from Redundant to Degraded.
Feb 13, 2022 02:36:19 PM Volume: Resyncing started for Volume data.
Feb 12, 2022 01:42:14 PM Volume: Volume data is resynced.
Feb 09, 2022 01:51:08 PM Disk: Disk in channel 4 (Internal) changed state from RESYNC to ONLINE.
Feb 09, 2022 01:48:50 PM Volume: Resyncing started for Volume data.
Feb 09, 2022 01:48:37 PM Disk: Disk Model:WDC WD80EFBX-68AZZN0 Serial:VR0A0HPK was added to Channel 4 of the head unit.- Is it still showing disk 1 as dead?
Yes, but interestingingly I get two immediate inconsistent messages on boot. Note, I've been keeping the NAS off until the new disks arrive and we determine the best path forward.
01:27:11 PM 02/17/2022 Remove inactive volumes to use the disk. Disk #2,3,4.
01:27:11 PM 02/17/2022 Remove inactive volumes to use the disk. Disk #1,2,3,4.- Whether the errors on disk 2 should be understood "warnings" depends on how many there are - and also how rapidly they are increasing. Can you let us know what the counts are?
They have definitely increased significantly after putting in disk #4 then removing and reinserting disk #2.
Feb 17, 2022 01:38:34 PM Disk: Detected increasing reallocated sector count: [1921] on disk 2 (Internal) [WDC WD80EFZX-68UW8N0 VJHAWEHX] 254 times in the past 30 days. This condition often indicates an impending failure. Be prepared to replace this disk to maintain data redundancy.
Feb 17, 2022 01:30:32 PM Disk: Detected increasing reallocated sector count: [1917] on disk 2 (Internal) [WDC WD80EFZX-68UW8N0 VJHAWEHX] 253 times in the past 30 days. This condition often indicates an impending failure. Be prepared to replace this disk to maintain data redundancy.
Feb 17, 2022 01:28:31 PM Disk: Detected increasing reallocated sector count: [1914] on disk 2 (Internal) [WDC WD80EFZX-68UW8N0 VJHAWEHX] 252 times in the past 30 days. This condition often indicates an impending failure. Be prepared to replace this disk to maintain data redundancy.I very much appreicate the tips on data recovery, and pointing me in the right direction for services as well as a note for logs. Luckily the NAS itself boots up fine and I can still download logs.
StephenB wrote:Another thing you could try is
- power down
- remove disk 1
- reboot in READ-ONLY mode (ask if you don't know how to do that).
and see you can access any data. If you can, then power down immediately, and post back.
I've gone ahead and shutdown, removed disk #1 and restarted in Volume ReadOnly mode, and then shut back down.
None of the shares were readable.
Thank you so much for your help so far it is greatly appreciated and I continue to increase my knowledge on the RN516 and RAID.
- StephenBFeb 18, 2022Guru - Experienced User
Augestflex wrote:
StephenB wrote:
Another thing you could try is
- power down
- remove disk 1
- reboot in READ-ONLY mode (ask if you don't know how to do that).
and see you can access any data. If you can, then power down immediately, and post back.
I've gone ahead and shutdown, removed disk #1 and restarted in Volume ReadOnly mode, and then shut back down.
None of the shares were readable.
Maybe repeat this test with drive 1 installed, but drive 2 removed. If it works, then immediately copy the files you are missing.
- AugestflexFeb 18, 2022Aspirant
Hello Stephen,
I appreicate it, I went ahead and did that test removing disk #2 while powered down and then booting into Volume ReadOnly mode with no luck. The new drives should arrive today before noon so I am thinking I will try to do the replacement of disk #2 as per chat support and if it doesn't rebuild the volume I guess I will put in all of the new drives and create a new volume and shares and copy back what I can from my PC and Google Drive.
StephenB Quick question, is there a way to save the configuration I had as far as shares, permissions, etc. So I don't have to recreate all of that again?
Thanks!
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