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Michael_Oz's avatar
Michael_Oz
Luminary
Jul 15, 2017

Upgrade - replace with larger HDD, in RAID6, two at a time?

Anyone know if I replace two HDD at once in a RAID6, whether it will rebuild both at the same time?

Whether that is quicker than two sequential upgrade swaps?

(yes I know I expose it to risk from a single point disc failure)

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    • Michael_Oz's avatar
      Michael_Oz
      Luminary

      cpu8088 wrote:

      you answered your question already

       

       


      Really, which one?

       

      That technically a RAID6 can survive two lost discs? So it should rebuild both when replaced.

       

      That doing such may or may not be faster than doing them sequentially?

       

      Or perhaps you are referring to exposure to a single disc failure?

  • You should never pull 2 disks at the same time. You just completely negate the raid6 benefits then.

     

    One of main reasons for choosing a raid6 is so that you can replace a faulty disk without being unprotected/vulnerable during the replacement sync.

     

    Even then, the NAS will still only sync one disk at a time as far as I am aware. 

    • Michael_Oz's avatar
      Michael_Oz
      Luminary

      Hopchen wrote:

      Even then, the NAS will still only sync one disk at a time as far as I am aware. 


      OK, thank you for attempting to answer one of the questions.

       

      I should, perhaps, been more informative.

       

      I have a Computer Science background & have decades of experience in the industry.

       

      I HAVE BACKUPS. I have generally stopped updates (where I dont' they are minor & I backup again).

       

      I am upgrading capacity.

       

      I have done 2 of 6 drives.

       

      Each drive, due to background priority, takes around 24 hours to resync.

       

      I would prefer to get this over and done with.

       

      ON the basis of MTBF, I suspect a reasonably low chance of a failure in the next few days. If not I can recover.

       

      I had presumed that someone, particularly Netgear themselves, would have experience with a 2 drive RAID6 failure/resync scenario.

      (where I would expect a resync - after shutdown/replace 2 drives/reboot - would actually resilver both in one go, that's how I would have designed it)

      (I would expect the parallel IO to allow faster resync, than two sequential ones)

       

      So I asked a couple of questions to confirm my thoughts.

       

      So thank you for your concerns.

       

      Should anyone have actual knowledge of the answers, I would be thankful for the input to my decision making process.

       

       

       

       

  • Hi again, 

     

    Good to hear you are aware of what you are doing and that you have backups :)

     

    The NAS uses a software raid (mdadm) and I think that it can only sync one disk at a time since it needs to calculate parity. It might be possible to sync in two disks to the same raid (using mdadm), but the NAS can't do that anyway I am almost sure. So, sync one disk at a time seems the way you gotta do it.

    • Michael_Oz's avatar
      Michael_Oz
      Luminary

      Oh well, seeing I'm awaiting delivery of the rest of the drives I may as well test it.

    • Sandshark's avatar
      Sandshark
      Sensei

      I have expanded more than one added drive at a time by disabling XRAID, selecting the drives, and selecting "Expand".  It definately took less time than one at a time.  But I don't know what you could select for replacement of two drives.  Just trying it sounds like a plan.  If nothing else, it should do one then the other.  If you don't disable XRAID first, then put the drives in with power off so it sees them at the same time.  If you put them in with power on, it will see the first and start re-sync before you get the second in.  When replacing drives, it might even start with the first one if XRAID is disabled and power is on.

       

      Let us know what you find out.

      • Michael_Oz's avatar
        Michael_Oz
        Luminary

        Inconclusive unfortunately.

         

        I had two previously removed HDDs.

        On Windows I deleted the three partitions & formatted as NTFS.

         

        Updated my backups.

         

        Powered down NAS.

        Pulled two drives, replaced them with the NTFS drives.

        Powered up, RAIDAR was very concerned.

         

        Unfortunately, on the Volume page they came up as unknown RAID volumes.

        So I had to DESTROY them, as soon as I did the first it started resyncing.

        So I shutdown/restarted, hoping it would see both available.

        But I assuming it found it already resyncing one, so just kept going.

         

        Currently looks like this:

        RAID6 2 HDD failure rsync.PNG

         

        That's after clicking on the dark HDD slot, those buttons are greyed-out.

         

        I should have deleted the NTFS partition I think, then they may have been recognised as available.

        But reading between the lines above, I suspect the first thing it wants to do is just get in sync.

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