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demonic1
Dec 28, 2016Star
Status:
Engineering Investigation
Never rebuild a configuration from scratch again!
I understand that a developing product needs updates. Sometimes these updates require changes to what data is expected for an element of the settings config. As a customer, when a firmware update is incompatible with my settings, it is absolutely unacceptable that I would have to re-build my entire config from scratch after updating firmware. Netgear may not be able to update my settings but you should at least give us a tool to fix it. It is NEVER ok to lose a customer’s hard work, that’s just bad business. Here is how we fix it:
- Give us a tool to download the config in a human-readable format. I don’t care if it is TXT, CSV, XLS, or whatever… Just give us something we can work with.
- With every firmware update, the “release notes” should include details of ANY changes to the settings requirements so we know what to adjust in our human-readable files. (ex: “The [setting] field for [control] on [screen] is now restricted to numeric characters.”) This points us directly to a potential problem. Netgear just needs to track such things and release the info with every update.
- Maintain a “white paper” with a list for the requirements/limitations for every settings value. This goes with number 2 above to allow us to fix problems.
- Along with item 1 above, we need to be able to upload this human-readable settings file back to the device.
- Auto settings debugger: When an attempt is made to upload a human-readable settings file, a check should automatically be performed to see if the file being uploaded conforms to the latest established rules. Any errors should be identified with the specific item and what the fault is. In the event of an error, the user should be prompted to override or abort with “abort” as the default. In the event of success, the config is uploaded with a success confirmation.
This isn’t rocket science here. I get that you need to do things that could break my old config. All we are asking is that you give us the tools to fix it. To reiterate my earlier point, “Start over” is NEVER an ok thing to tell a customer.
This one feature set would also solve several other problems:
- uploading a port forwarding list
- maintaining a block list
- revising routing tables
All of these items would be downloaded/uploaded in one shot with the above suggestions.
As an organizational note: If the human-readable download were actually a ZIP file it could contain multible human-readable files where any setting containing lists could actually be seperate files within the ZIP. Maybe all the settings could be broken out into files containing relevant sections instead of a single long list. If you need to take it in small bites, fine. Dump everything into a single human readable file for now, add the error checker later, break the file into smaller relevant pices when you get the time. I don't much care how you break down the task, just give us a took to fix the things you break and provide it sooner rather than later. We need items 1 & 4 yesterday, the rest will be nice when you can get to it.
Thank you for your consideration.
45 Comments
- michaelkenwardGuru - Experienced User
XML would be good. It is the way things are going.
You could even play around with it in an editor.
Even more opportunities to break my hardware.
- William10aMaster
Yes the firmware should be in a easy to read form would be nice the problem when comes when other software and devices come in to play. I update my windows 10 to the latest version and 2 hours later and fixing broken links to other programs saw no real value to the update so netgear is not the only one who causes issues when updating a program.
Cellphones are able to manage from different brands the config continuinty, why a brand can't do in on its devices?
- William10aMaster
That men they have to dump the old man of the firmware design and have a new baby to take its place. May be one day it will happen but I will not hold my breath.
- AbhayBNETGEAR Employee RetiredStatus changed:UnspecifiedtoEngineering Investigation
- aazVirtuoso
I'll add my vote for at least adding detailed release notes for each firmware. This is something I sorely miss from having experience with every other network gear manufacturer.
- michaelkenwardGuru - Experienced User
An earlier response suggested:
You can back up your config and restore it after the FW update!
No you can't. At least, not reliably.
New firmware sometimes adds things that are not compatible with the old firmware. Restore a backup and you still have a broken configuration.
This looks like another reason for human-readable config backup:
Unifed config file for router upgrade
And look, another one here:
Least we forget this isn't the first time:
Bug Report Firmware 1.0.3.4 R7500V2
We could do this all day long, there are scores of examples all through the forum.
Thank you for escalating this to an "Engineering Investigation". This really is something that would be a massive benefit across the board.
- chopin70Virtuoso
+1
I am tired of having to enter manually all my LAN table, blocked/allowed devices...
Furthermore, the LAN setup, Access Control and Attached devices pages seem to have separate data bases. So, editing device names in one page, must be done again in the 2 others
I never had to enter my settings manually before I switched from Linksys. All their routers had a transparent upgrade. My cable provider modem/router has also transparent upgrades. I was very happy with Linksys until they sold their business, sadly. I switched to Netgear because I was a long time user of their switch and NAS units. Sadly, after 3 Netgear routers, I have to say that their Routers division is far behind the support and dev quality of the switches/NAS
Guys from upstairs it is time to implement those features!!!