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RAXE500 160Mhz

madger
Tutor

RAXE500 160Mhz

How do i enable 160Mhz channels ?

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plemans
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160mhz

When its set to "up to 4800mbps" in the wifi settings, thats 160mhz wide

Message 2 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160ghz

When i go to the drop down for wifi 6 channel select the actual 160ghz channels are unavailable, only 80Mhz channels?

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plemans
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160ghz

Got a screen snip?
Also what region are you in?
Message 4 of 23
plemans
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

So its only saying "up to 2400mbps"?

Message 5 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

Im in Texas

4800 is set, but im not getting any of the 160ghz channels in the far left column in the attached picture.Screenshot_20221026-063733_Brave.jpg

Message 6 of 23
FURRYe38
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

What client hardware do you have? Brand and model#. 

Make sure your devices support 160Mhz channel width features. 

Message 7 of 23
plemans
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

Also, what is it actually showing? 

Are you just talking about how it displays the channels when you're selecting the 6ghz channels?

With as wide as the 160hz channels are, you get channel overlap. so even though it shows 7x 160hz wide channels available on your diagram, they can be in different orders for different channel overlap (with 6ghz). Or they can just be the one channel in that range and hit the full spread with the channel overlap. 

For example, on my RAXE500, if I have channel 37 set (which could be broadcasting from channel 33-61 to hit that width, tough to know though), I still connect with a 2400mbps link speed. Which on a 2x2 antenna device, is 160hz wide channel. 

I haven't found a good (free) wifi scanner for 6ghz yet but the evidence shows its broadcasting in 160hz wide. 

 

Is there something that makes you think its not?  

 

(btw, nice screen snip from duckware's site)

 

Message 8 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

Laptop is an Alienware with an Intel wifi 6e ax210 160mhz

I am seeing none of the 160ghz channels, the channels listed show to be in the 80ghz range.

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Message 9 of 23
plemans
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

What speed do you connect at? Should be 2400mbps if next to the router and connecting at 160hz
Message 10 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

SSID: _6G
Protocol: Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax)
Security type: WPA3-Personal
Network channel: 0
Link speed (Receive/Transmit): 2402/2402 (Mbps)
IPv6 address: 2600:1700:8b10:84cf:d1ec:f
Link-local IPv6 address: fe80::d1ec:
IPv6 DNS servers: 2600:1700:8b10:84cf:6
IPv4 address: 10.
IPv4 DNS servers: 10.
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Description: Intel(R) Wi-Fi 6E AX210 160MHz
Driver version: 22.45.1.1
Physical address (MAC): BC-6E-E2-

 

Actual wifi speeds approx 8 ft from raxe500 is 800+down/700+up

Message 11 of 23
plemans
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

Which again, means you're connecting at 160hz or you wouldn't have a 2400mbps link
Message 12 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

running the speed test built into to the raxe running different servers i never get above 930down and a max of 1200up?

i may be fighting a battle that is actually not there, but having a 2000mb up/down fiber connection, i was hoping to see well over 1000 through put, but its just not happening, i replaced an x10 r9000, with this raxe500 and honestly have no faster speeds.

Message 13 of 23
Razor512
Prodigy

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

If using the 5GHz or 6GHz band and 160MHz channel width, the RAXE500 should offer a real world throughput of around 1.8Gbps (when the PHY rate is 2400Mbps).

 

Though depending on location, the 2.4GHz band may hover around 150-300Mbps (it could do more if in a rural area, though it is often just too crowded to offer high speeds).

 

PS for the RAXE500, the 160MHz channel width is more reliable on the lower channels, (36-44 range), as compared to the 100-128 range which will put you completely in the DFS range and thus more likely to encounter radar issues that will cause issues with maintaining good speeds and a 160MHz channel width.

 

Beyond that, for WAN speeds, as long as you are using the 2.5GbE port for the WAN connection, then those speeds should be easy to achieve for WiFi clients. and for wired clients,you will need to use LACP to combine 2 1GbE connections to the router.

One other thing to consider is that on the 2.4GHz band, when Bluetooth is enabled, the WiFi radio will limit the airtime that the WiFi radio is allowed to use on the WiFi adapter. The same applies to smartphones.

PS some smartphones will also refuse to use 160MHz channel width; this is especially common with Apple devices.
Many smartphones will also refuse to use more than 20MHz channel width on the 2.4GHz band.

Message 14 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

Yeah im not seeing anywhere near 1.8, thats what i have been fighting with and trying to figure out why.

 

the only 2 lower bands i have from what you suggested above are 37(psc) and 41.

 

The BGW320-500 has a 5gb lan port which is connected to the raxe500 2.5gbe wan, but the bgw320 does not support LACP.

Message 15 of 23
Razor512
Prodigy

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

For the 6GHz band, the PSC channels are the ones that are scanned for, thus easier to find if your AP is set to use them.

 

For the 5GHz band, if using channels 36-44, then half of the channel width will be outside of the DFS range and half will be in the DFS range. While not ideal, it is better than using higher channels where all of the channel width will be in the DFS range, thus increasing the likelihood of running into radar issues.

 

PS, if using the AX210, make sure you are not using any QOS software or any addon software packages from Killer, instead make sure you are using just the straight Intel drivers. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/19351/windows-10-and-windows-11-wi-fi-drivers-for-i...

 

Also do not use the throughput booster option in the intel drivers, as they make things slower most of the time.

If you are generally close to the router, you can set the AX210's preferred band to 5GHz, as that will make it less likely to roam to 2.4GHz unless the 5GHz band gets close to the -75dB range.

 

Some prebuilds and gaming laptop makers will add QOS type software under the guise of claiming to improve multiplayer gaming latency and lag, but in reality it doesn't help at all. When gaming the traffic is latency sensitive but the data rate is very low, you typically do not encounter lag or latency issues unless buffers start to fill (signs of the connection starting to saturate). That can be caused if you are downloading other stuff while gaming. The issue with QOS software on the client side, is that your PC is unaware and has no control over the traffic of other devices. Furthermore, many of them will have low default values that will cap your speeds.

 

 

Message 16 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

Qos is off, all killer software has been removed, intel drivers only.

 

My alienware has been upgraded to the ax210, originally killer ac m.2 wifi card.

Message 17 of 23
Razor512
Prodigy

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

If the gateway provided by the ISP is able to do a 2.5Gbps PHY rate via the 5 gigabit port when connected to the RAXE500 (you can check by going to the router page > Advanced tab> Show Statistics. The status of the of the multi-gig port should show 2500M/Full for its status.

 

Beyond that, while it takes a while for embedded images to show up on the forums, usually to tell when speeds are being capped either by software settings or a bottleneck on one of the endpoints, you will typically see speed results like this, showing speeds being capped artificially.

 

Signs-of-througput-issues.jpg

 

Then when there are no artificial limits on the AX210, the results should look similar to this.

5GHz-normal-(noisy-environment).jpg

 

PS, I am in a very noise WiFi environment (issue of urban NY, where there are tons of strong APs in range all major channels, along with high noise floors).

Only thing that really kills the performance is when there is a DFS event via a nearby plane (luckily I am not close to an airport).

Message 18 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

the pictures didnt show.

Statistics show 2500/full

No matter what i do/change wifi throughput is maximum 850ish down.

im missing something and have not figured it out yet.

Message 19 of 23
plemans
Guru

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

I understand the RAXE only has the 1x mutli gig port but what wired speeds do you get from it? 

Message 20 of 23
Razor512
Prodigy

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

From my testing, the RAXE500 is able to deliver 2380Mbps over the 2.5GbE port when using multiple TCP connections. It basically performs the same as if you were using a 2.5GbE switch and doing a LAN to LAN speed test. Overall, the router doesn't bottleneck the port.

Though it would be surprising if it did considering that Netgear has released older routers that allowed for a single 10GbE port (if you had a SFP+ module.

 

I just hope that we will see next gen higher end routers move to having 4 or more 2.5GbE LAN ports ports, 1 5GbE WAN port, and along with at least 1 10GbE LAN port.

 

Message 21 of 23
Razor512
Prodigy

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

Wanted to also add that if the OP is not betting the full connection speed over the 2.5GbE port, Even if having multiple PCs test at the same time to saturate the WAN connection, then it may be worth doing a factory reset on the RAXE500 and set it up using the web UI and not the mobile app, as well as double checking the gateway device provided by the ISP.

Message 22 of 23
madger
Tutor

Re: RAXE500 160Mhz

I have considered that, i even have an extra gateway modem i might try BGW320-505

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