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duckware
Jan 20, 2019Prodigy
The gig is up -- the new AX12 will be D.O.A.
The AX12 appears to have NO DFS channel support.
This is according to Netgear's own product page (no DFS mention; whereas routers with DFS support mention that), and FCC documents (PY317300397)...
duckware
Jan 21, 2019Prodigy
schumaku, I understand that in the past it was common for a second round for DFS certification, but for Netgear -- in 2018 -- can you provide any examples of when Netgear did that (filed initial FCC application without DFS, then made permissive change to add DFS later)?
In 2018, all I can find for Netgear is FCC applications with DFS reports in the initial application...
...except for the RAX120 (AX12-Nighthawk AX12 12-Stream WI-FI 6 Router). It was filed without DFS certification -- that is a strong clue that something happened (like maybe it did not pass initial DFS tests?).
The 'cousin' model (RAX80) FCC application was filed to the FCC with DFS reports.
schumaku
Jan 21, 2019Guru - Experienced User
The AX8 and AX12 are (to my knowledge) complete different hardware platforms. So at the time of filing with the FCC, obviously DFS wasn't ready. Now a good part of the RF security code isn't implemented by the router and AP vendors Much more it's code operating on the embedded radio devices, provided by the chip/radio maker. The control and influence on this code is limited.
Instead of the AX8 has it blablah it would be much more interesting to see if the competitors implementing similar SoC and radios as in place on the AX12 are able to do any different.
- myerswJan 21, 2019Master
Cannot go by what a product announcement is before it is actually on the shelves. Lots can change including FCC approval of the DFS support. Even if not first ship I am sure it will be included with a firmware update.
- dmystic1Jan 21, 2019Apprentice
Im using the AX8. It has DFS which I dont use anyway because my Samsung and Roku TV's wont connect. There isn't even a release date for the AX12, it also states it will only be available thru the Premier Beta (whatever that is).
- duckwareJan 22, 2019Prodigy
schumaku, Yes, wikidevi says RAX80 is based on BCM43684 (Broadcom), but the RAX120 is based on QCN5154+QCN5124 (Qualcomm)
myersw, I would not buy any router in 2019 without DFS support present up front. Because not all netgear routers get DFS support later.
dmystic1, does it support ALL DFS channels (see duckware.com/wifi#5g for list; especially 144)?