I want to use my main fibre gateway router since it has more options and custom options and to do so I did as followed. I put the Orbi into AP mode , and continued to use fibre as main router. Problem was Orbi was still creating a private network and whenever I would play games online I had horrendous lag and bad ping and packet loss. To fix that I had to put my gateway into bridge mode and put Orbi into router, but it sucks because I lose all custom options for my fibre gateway.

Kmandair04 wrote: I want to use my main fibre gateway router since it has more options and custom options and to do so I did as followed. I put the Orbi into AP mode , and continued to use fibre as main router. Problem was Orbi was still creating a private network and whenever I would play games online I had horrendous lag and bad ping and packet loss. To fix that I had to put my gateway into bridge mode and put Orbi into router, but it sucks because I lose all custom options for my fibre gateway. When the Orbi is in Access Point (AP) mode, it does not create any network of any kind. Each of the Orbi units and every device connected to the Orbi use DHCP to request an IP address from the primary router.* The primary router will create a private network and use NAT to map from the Public IP address to the private IP address for each device. Depending on the specific game, there may be options to forward ports through the fibre router to the gaming machine. * An easy method to determine that this is the case is to look at the IP address of every device on the network, including the Orbi router and satellites. Do the all belong to the same IP subnet (such as 192.168.1.x) and is the fibre router the gateway address? ** The forum is often a handy way to learn interesting information. Could you expand on what specific features the fibre router provides that the Orbi lacks? When it comes time to replace my Orbi, it would be handy to have some idea of features to look for.

Thanks For Responding. Yea I do not have much knowledge with some of the stuff and I assumed it was an Orbi Problem or something. Okay so for the solutions, how do i look up the ip address of all the devices. Will the netgear orbi app help with that or do i have to go to orbilogin.net to find out?. For the features he fibre router has I just want to be clear its the gateway router my ISP provied us. Main feature is I can make 2.4 and 5.ghz networks with seperate SSID. I can manage all devices including my tv cable which is also from my ISP so its more convinient. I can see how much time and internet usage each device has used and at what time specifcally. Just from the phone app I can port forward, and do some other things that are beyond my knowledge.Its just overall more convinent because my landline, tv cable and internet are all in one place contrallable in the app

Kmandair04 wrote: how do i look up the ip address of all the devices. Will the netgear orbi app help with that or do i have to go to orbilogin.net to find out?. The Orbi app, the Orbi web interface Attached Devices and the ISP's app should all provide the IP address of every device connected to the network. (and, they should all provide the same IP address for each device.) In your situation, I would turn first to the ISP's app. Kmandair04 wrote: For the features he fibre router has I just want to be clear its the gateway router my ISP provied us. Main feature is I can make 2.4 and 5.ghz networks with seperate SSID. I can manage all devices including my tv cable which is also from my ISP so its more convinient. I can see how much time and internet usage each device has used and at what time specifcally. Just from the phone app I can port forward, and do some other things that are beyond my knowledge.Its just overall more convinent because my landline, tv cable and internet are all in one place contrallable in the app Those are all excellent reasons. Thanks for explaining. Since the Orbi uses the same SSID for both 2.4G and 5G channels, would it be correct to assume that the ISP router is using a distinct SSID for a 2.4G to be used for Internet of Things (IoT) devices? If both the Orbi and the ISP router are broadcasting the same SSID, please be aware that device 'roaming' from Orbi to ISP (and back) will probably not be smooth. Whereas the Orbi 'knows about' WiFi devices that are connnected to the Orbi units, any devices connected directly to the ISP router will appear to the Orbi to be 'wired'. (It sees them across the ethernet cable to the ISP router, so that is a 'wire' connection. It has no idea that there is a WiFi component on the ISP router.)

I just went to the orbi web interface and went to attached devices and I saw the ip adresses. All devices connected to the orbi have ip adress starting with 192.168.1.(xx)For my current setup, I have set my ISP fibre gateway to bridge mode to stop lagging on orbi, so when i go to the ISP interface it says 0 devices connected. Do you want me to disable bridge mode and then see what is the IP adress of the devices that connect? Those are all excellent reasons. Thanks for explaining. Since the Orbi uses the same SSID for both 2.4G and 5G channels, would it be correct to assume that the ISP router is using a distinct SSID for a 2.4G to be used for Internet of Things (IoT) devices? If both the Orbi and the ISP router are broadcasting the same SSID, please be aware that device 'roaming' from Orbi to ISP (and back) will probably not be smooth. Whereas the Orbi 'knows about' WiFi devices that are connnected to the Orbi units, any devices connected directly to the ISP router will appear to the Orbi to be 'wired'. (It sees them across the ethernet cable to the ISP router, so that is a 'wire' connection. It has no idea that there is a WiFi component on the ISP router.)I haven't enabled the two distinct 2.4 and 5ghz SSID mode yet on the ISP router, so it was doing the same as the ORBI using one SSID for both channels. And now as I am reading your next sentence, that is what was happening to me for my IoT devices. Sometimes wifi would be on but there would be no signal and no internet connection, I am assuming that is because of ORBI and ISP Router same SSID clashing together. but for me i thought since the ORBI is AP mode it shouldn't do that. YEAAAAA, I noticed that orbi app started to recgonize devices as wired that were connected to the ISP Router.

Kmandair04 wrote: I just went to the orbi web interface and went to attached devices and I saw the ip adresses. All devices connected to the orbi have ip adress starting with 192.168.1.(xx) For my current setup, I have set my ISP fibre gateway to bridge mode to stop lagging on orbi, so when i go to the ISP interface it says 0 devices connected. Do you want me to disable bridge mode and then see what is the IP adress of the devices that connect? Sorry. I had a brain freeze. When the ISP is in router mode and the Orbi is in AP mode, then the ISP router creates the private network and the Orbi creates nothing. With the way things are configured now (ISP router in bridge mode and Orbi in router mode), the ISP creates no network and the Orbi creates a private network. That is why the ISP app shows 0 devices connected. I believe also that in bridge mode, the ISP WiFi function is probably disabled (no network = no IP's for WiFi clients). I am amost certain that the ISP phone capabilities will remain active in bridge mode (as they remain with my Spectrum cable modem in bridge mode). I had (incorrectly) jumped to the conclusion that the ISP was 'router' and the Orbi 'AP' because you wanted to keep the ISP router functions. Either way, there will be only one router and one local private network.

Double Nat when using AP Mode | NETGEAR Communities

28 Replies

CrimpOn
Guru
Nov 28, 2021
Kmandair04 wrote:

I want to use my main fibre gateway router since it has more options and custom options and to do so I did as followed. I put the Orbi into AP mode , and continued to use fibre as main router. Problem was Orbi was still creating a private network and whenever I would play games online I had horrendous lag and bad ping and packet loss. To fix that I had to put my gateway into bridge mode and put Orbi into router, but it sucks because I lose all custom options for my fibre gateway.

When the Orbi is in Access Point (AP) mode, it does not create any network of any kind. Each of the Orbi units and every device connected to the Orbi use DHCP to request an IP address from the primary router.*

The primary router will create a private network and use NAT to map from the Public IP address to the private IP address for each device.

Depending on the specific game, there may be options to forward ports through the fibre router to the gaming machine.

* An easy method to determine that this is the case is to look at the IP address of every device on the network, including the Orbi router and satellites. Do the all belong to the same IP subnet (such as 192.168.1.x) and is the fibre router the gateway address?

** The forum is often a handy way to learn interesting information. Could you expand on what specific features the fibre router provides that the Orbi lacks? When it comes time to replace my Orbi, it would be handy to have some idea of features to look for.
- Kmandair04
  Aspirant
  Nov 28, 2021
  Thanks For Responding. Yea I do not have much knowledge with some of the stuff and I assumed it was an Orbi Problem or something. Okay so for the solutions, how do i look up the ip address of all the devices. Will the netgear orbi app help with that or do i have to go to orbilogin.net to find out?.
  
  For the features he fibre router has I just want to be clear its the gateway router my ISP provied us. Main feature is I can make 2.4 and 5.ghz networks with seperate SSID. I can manage all devices including my tv cable which is also from my ISP so its more convinient. I can see how much time and internet usage each device has used and at what time specifcally. Just from the phone app I can port forward, and do some other things that are beyond my knowledge.Its just overall more convinent because my landline, tv cable and internet are all in one place contrallable in the app
  - CrimpOn
    Guru
    Nov 28, 2021
    Kmandair04 wrote:
    
    how do i look up the ip address of all the devices. Will the netgear orbi app help with that or do i have to go to orbilogin.net to find out?.
    
    The Orbi app, the Orbi web interface Attached Devices and the ISP's app should all provide the IP address of every device connected to the network. (and, they should all provide the same IP address for each device.) In your situation, I would turn first to the ISP's app.
    
    Kmandair04 wrote:
    
    For the features he fibre router has I just want to be clear its the gateway router my ISP provied us. Main feature is I can make 2.4 and 5.ghz networks with seperate SSID. I can manage all devices including my tv cable which is also from my ISP so its more convinient. I can see how much time and internet usage each device has used and at what time specifcally. Just from the phone app I can port forward, and do some other things that are beyond my knowledge.Its just overall more convinent because my landline, tv cable and internet are all in one place contrallable in the app
    
    Those are all excellent reasons. Thanks for explaining. Since the Orbi uses the same SSID for both 2.4G and 5G channels, would it be correct to assume that the ISP router is using a distinct SSID for a 2.4G to be used for Internet of Things (IoT) devices? If both the Orbi and the ISP router are broadcasting the same SSID, please be aware that device 'roaming' from Orbi to ISP (and back) will probably not be smooth. Whereas the Orbi 'knows about' WiFi devices that are connnected to the Orbi units, any devices connected directly to the ISP router will appear to the Orbi to be 'wired'. (It sees them across the ethernet cable to the ISP router, so that is a 'wire' connection. It has no idea that there is a WiFi component on the ISP router.)
FURRYe38
Guru
Nov 30, 2021
https://www.reddit.com/r/orbi/comments/r4dy69/double_nat_problem/
- Kmandair04
  Aspirant
  Nov 30, 2021
  Yea that’s my reddit post and I think I figured it out with a help of reddit user
ISPApp
Tutor
Jan 16, 2022
Having problems with Xbox strict NAT type.

Forum Discussion

Double Nat when using AP Mode