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D808
Dec 12, 2017Guide
Google Home causing disconnect/reboot of Orbi
Wifi disconnecting and orbi crash, reboot. I have a 2000 sqft home. wifi is provided by the orbi and Asus night hawk router/wifi network. In my home I have 5 google homes, 6 amazon echo devices,...
turnerm05
Dec 15, 2017Luminary
D808. Completely agree. I'm going to Best Buy tomorrow to buy the Eero Pro package which I'll be running with Ethernet backhaul between the main and second unit and then wireless for the third.
I know I'll lose some speed but I've got gigabit service and should easily see 180+ even in the furthest reaches which is way more than enough.
I just can't be bothered to waste any more time tracking this issue down and Netgear obviously does not care because they are quieter than a church house mouse even though there are multiple threads on the topic.
I've been let down.
I know I'll lose some speed but I've got gigabit service and should easily see 180+ even in the furthest reaches which is way more than enough.
I just can't be bothered to waste any more time tracking this issue down and Netgear obviously does not care because they are quieter than a church house mouse even though there are multiple threads on the topic.
I've been let down.
evancg
Dec 29, 2017Guide
There's another thread about reboots that started looking at Google Home as the culprit, but it's also been determined it's probably not specifically the Home - https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi/Orbi-RBK50-keeps-rebooting/m-p/1469095/highlight/false#M19196
That being said, I think it's probably Android related - people have noted Pixel 2's potentially being an issue, but I have a Note 8. I had the Orbi for three days before going on a 5 day trip - it was rebooting daily if not several times a day. It did not reboot ONCE while I was gone, despite having a dog sitter using ALL the same things I use when I'm home - except she has an iPhone. I've been home less than 24 hours and it already rebooted.
Netgear needs to figure out how a CLIENT Android device is forcing their $300 router to reboot. I'm not sure what's more crazy - the fact it's happening, or that with their knowledge and resources, can't recreate and resolve it!
- vreynoldsDec 29, 2017Luminary
Here's a more general thread about Android devices causing the crash: https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi/Android-8-Crashes-Orbi/td-p/1452080
You don't have to read 100+ replies on that one. Here is a sample: "I have a Pixel and I went on vacation for 5 days. No crashes while I was gone. As soon as I returned, the Orbi started crashing/rebooting". I paraphrased it but it doesn't get any more clear than that.
Although the title says Android 8, it's happening to some peopple with Android 7.0. I also woke my "bathroom" phone with Android 5.1 and Orbi immediately crashed. I don't know if that's a coincidence but I don't feel like being the guinea pig.
- evancgDec 29, 2017Guide
My Note 8 isn't an 8.* device either, so yeah agree it's not Pixel specific. I've sat through five random reboots tonight (while trying to watch a streaming movie.....ugh). Think I'll just hook up my old Nighthawk and return this trash. It's literally unusable, despite any amount of resetting, modifying router settings, enabling\disabling features, etc.
- vreynoldsDec 29, 2017LuminaryCan you try one thing before returning it? On your Note 8, in wifi settings, disable WiFi during sleep. Set it to Never. What do you have to lose? This gives me nearly 2 days without a reboot.
- evancgDec 30, 2017Guide
Thanks, I appreciate the suggestions but unfortunately a couple of days of uptime without a random reboot is still not good enough. I work from home pretty often and I'm in a bit of an iffy cell area, so the random reboots interupt WiFi calls, VPN, and WiFi video conferencing. My Nighthawk never reboots randomly - it can be up and stable for weeks or months at a time. The slight speed and coverage boost (which were nice, but not necessary for my setup) don't justify the $200 cost and unreliability.
- sleppelmJan 01, 2018Aspirant
I have the same issue with my Pixel XL. Randomly reboots the Orbi, especially when just turning wifi on for the first time. The fact this hasn't been fixed yet by Netgear is insane. I seriously can't believe the instability of this device. I'd take mine back if I could. I'm on the latest firmware as well. v2.1.1.16.
- outerringzJan 15, 2018Aspirant
I'm having regular wifi outages on my RBR50/RBS50 network. Looks like TP-Link figured out the issue with Google devices. I have a Google Home, three Chromecasts, and a Pixel 2 XL. I've temporarily eliminated the symptom by powering off all the Google products. Obviously not a solution, but it confimed the symptom.
https://9to5google.com/2018/01/15/google-chromecast-home-wifi-outage/
- mitchearJan 16, 2018Aspirant
Thank you for posting that. I thought I was going crazy. We've tried every setting imaginable to determine what was causing the conflict for the Orbi RBK50 and satellite and the consequential crashing of the network. We knew waking our Android phones or tablet have caused the Orbi system to crash, just not why. Before Christmas, we had a Netgear Nighthawk R7000 and its extender the EX7000 - It too was beginning to have crashing issues. We have been slowly increasing our Google products and are now up to 4 Google Homes, and 5 Chromecasts, plus phones and tablet.
Hopefully, Netgear puts out a patch for this. Looks like other TP-Link and Linksys are already rolling one out.
- vreynoldsJan 17, 2018Luminary
https://kb.netgear.com/000053549/RBR50-RBS50-Firmware-Version-2-1-2-18
Here it is...go get it. Can't be any worse than constant reboots.
Edit: it does NOT fix the random reboots. I just had 2 reboots, and both of my Android phones are off WIFI! Come on Netgear, lets go! Fix the damn thing.
- loomis1975Jan 17, 2018Luminary
I don't think the .18 release had much if anything to do with the google / cast issue.
Saw this in the Android 8 thread:
https://support.google.com/chromecast/answer/7634752
Look for a Google Play Services update this weekend I guess and see what happens. When I get it for my phone, I'll then go around and reboot all my google home / chromecast / android TV / google assistant devices and see what happens.
- Richard1864Jan 17, 2018LuminaryGoogle releasing critical update for Android and Chromecast that MAY fix the problem many of us are suffering from - Orbi’s rebooting or crashing with Android/Chrone devices connected.
Https://support.google.com/googlehome/answer/7634752?hl=en&ref_topic=7071995 - iantrichJan 19, 2018Aspirant
Got the update tonight; does not resolve the Orbi rebooting when phone is woken from sleep
- vreynoldsJan 19, 2018LuminaryDo you mean you received the Google Play services update? Or do you mean the new firmware update? Yes the firmware update does not resolve any rebooting issues. But there's supposed to be a new Google Play services update which apparently fixes this issue.
- iantrichJan 19, 2018AspirantI'm referring to the Google Play services update.
- vreynoldsJan 19, 2018LuminaryOh no! Can you confirm for me it is 11.9.74? That's the version that's supposed to fix it. I don't know how much longer I can take these disconnects, if this fix doesn't fix it.
- aazJan 19, 2018Virtuoso
Here is additional info on this https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/chromecast-and-google-homes-reportedly-overloading-home-wi-fi/
This occurs when the device is awakened from its "sleep" state, and could exceed more than 100,000 packets. The longer your device is in "sleep," the larger this packet burst will be. This issue may eventually cause some of router's primary features to shut down
Seems the workaround to this issue until the patch gets out is to prevent your devices from going into sleep mode - or bringing them out often by setting up a scheduled task.
- vreynoldsJan 21, 2018LuminaryI got the Google Play Services beta 11.9.74. so far I've had up time of 1.5 days with no reboots. I installed the beta on the 3 Android phones we have in the home. I assume my Nvidia Shield has its own update since it runs on Android 7.0. I don't know about Google home, but we've been using both devices and all of our phones with no problems so far. But I've also had about a week before this where I had no reboots. I don't know what that was all about.
- sleepr88Jan 21, 2018Apprentice
Netgear, since you can't seem to fix the Orbi, are you going to start issuing refunds? or exchanging everyone to Orbi Pros (which doesn't appear to have these problems, because you value business customers over regular consumers?)? TP-link, Linksys, and others have already gotten it fixed... How long for a Chromecast/Android fix Netgear?
- Richard1864Jan 22, 2018LuminaryGoogle released updates to fix the Android/Chromecast issues. Have you downloaded those updates yet, Sleepr88?
- orb526Jan 22, 2018Guide
I installed the beta update for Google Play Services on 4 Android phones and ran them all weekend with zero Orbi crashes. The beta app does fix the problem. My advice to anyone with this frustrating issue: Do not wait for Google to release the official app... Who knows how long that will take... Sideload the APK immediatly!
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/google-play-services/google-play-services-11-9-74-release/
- jgille8Jan 24, 2018Aspirant
I'm on 11.9.75 from Jan 20th and my wifi is still acting up. Constantly searching for network on my laptop but can connect to the guest one it seems just fine. So dunno what is cause it to do that, but I got 3 google mini's in December and thats about when this started acting up so thats why I figured it could be related.
- sleepr88Jan 24, 2018Apprentice
Netgear still needs to come up with a fix for their end... TP-Link, Linksys, and others have done it already... and I have all my CAST devices unplugged, and uninstalled Google Home app from my phone and I am still having issues with the Orbi, so Netgear has another issue to address also
- Rip_93Jan 24, 2018AspirantTry uninstalling the home app. Seems to have fixed the issue temporarily for me.
- sleepr88Feb 04, 2018Apprentice
wrote:Netgear still needs to come up with a fix for their end... TP-Link, Linksys, and others have done it already... and I have all my CAST devices unplugged, and uninstalled Google Home app from my phone and I am still having issues with the Orbi, so Netgear has another issue to address also
- Richard1864Feb 04, 2018LuminarySleepr88, you keep claiming other networking vendors have fixed their systems. I keep visiting their forums and see absolutely NO EVIDENCE of that. They’re all still having various issues including the same ones that Netgear is dealing with. Can you please STOP the lies that everyone else has fixed these issues when they obviously have NOT fixed them?
- jgille8Feb 04, 2018AspirantI brought my Orbi back and exchanged it for Google WiFi. Might not be as fast wirelessly but I haven't had a drop or a problem since. All my devices are hardwired in my house besides phones and my 2 tablets and a laptop so speed isn't huge deal for those devices. Still getting 121/21mbps so no worries