Orbi firmware update 2.3.5.30 required me to unplug/replug all my GS108Tv3 switches

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This one was weird... I used the auto UpdateAll feature on the Orbi web management page to update my RBR50v2 router to the latest firmware 2.3.5.30, after a while all finished and seemed fine. Then I realized that instead of 25 devices, there were about 10-15 on my network. Wut? So, I look at what is missing, and notice all my newly installed managed GS108Tv3 switches, and all the devices connected to them, are missing. I literally had to walk around the house and unplug/replug all of them to powercycle. Then things went back to normal.

Except.... My WIRED speed on my PCs went down. Way down. Wut? After some headscratching....

I had forgotten to unplug/replug one GS108Tv3 that was connected to the LAN output of my RBR50v2, whose job was to feed a 24-port home network distribution switch which then fed wired ethernet to all the rooms, which all my three satellite RBS50v2 are connected to for wired backhaul. Since that ONE and FIRST GS108Tv3 right out of the RBR50v2 actually was offline, it wasn't feeding the 24-port distribution switch, which meant the wired satellites weren't getting anything on the wire, which included the satellite closest to the router, which then connected to the router wirelessly, and started pumping a signal back INTO the wall from which it wasn't getting any signal as it was supposed to, essentially became a producer instead of consumer of the ethernet signal, which then ended up feeding the 24-port through the port that was feeding that wall jack, which then ended up feeding the whole house through the other ports of the 24-port. Therefore the remaining satellites were "wired" as well as everything else in the house, but all the traffic was going through that wireless connection between the router and the one satellite.

I guess this is the beauty of the selfhealing nature of the TCP/IP networks. Designed to withstand a nuclear war, and therefore can withstand one missing switch, if it can.

Still, though. All my GS108Tv3 deciding to stay inactive at their incoming port after the Orbi update's completion is disconcerting. I will crosspost this to the Managed Switch forum, too, since I can't tell if GS108Tv3 has a problem recognizing the live signal coming from a re-firmwared Orbi RBR50v2 or whether RBR50v2 is not sending something out that it should to "wake up" any managed switches on the network after getting re-firmwared for them to start listening to the incoming signal port. Blanca_O

Tuna

FURRYe38 · Answer

It's the switches your using are problably causing your Orbis bad behavior. Smarts swithces are still known as managed switches. Any IGMP and Green Ethernet features on these switches are not compatible with Orbi.

I use HP and D-Link non managed, non green ethernet switches, don't see any issues with power and recovery while my RBS is wired.

tuna_ertemalp · Answer

Crosspost link:&nbsp;https://community.netgear.com/t5/Managed-Switches/Orbi-firmware-update-2-3-5-30-required-me-to-unplug-replug-all/td-p/1773821/jump-to/first-unread-message

schumaku · Answer

While the GS108Tv3 is not a managed switch (it's just a Smart Managed Pro model): Like every Ethernet device, when an Ethernet cable is plugged or the interface on the other device (here: Orbi) is enabled, we can expect that the Ethernet link is negotiated and established. No magic wake-up signalling or whatever.

ChristineT please ensure the newer switch models are all added to the community model selection, thank you!

tuna_ertemalp · Answer

Exactly! Everything should have just worked. However, after my one RBRv2 router + three RBSv2 wired-backhaul satellites finished auto-updating, incoming ports (in my case Port 8, since that is what I use as a self-imposed standard) on all four of my GS108Tv3 were dark. Unplug/replug of the Ethernet cable on those Port 8 did NOT help. Only unplug/replug of the power cord to the switch did.

Tuna

tuna_ertemalp · Answer

OK, this is worse than I thought. That wonderful story about my network healing itself seems to be the culprit. I did a few more tests and reduced it to the following. It doesn't have much to do with the firmware update, but more to do with rebooting the router or satellite (Yes! Even a satellite reboot causes this!).&nbsp;Now the question is:&nbsp;is there a setting in the switches to accomodate this transient behavior, orif this is something to report to the switch people to fix in the firmware, orif there is a way to tell Orbi satellites that they are always in the wired backhaul and to never try to connect wirelessly to the router or another satellite, orif Orbi firmware should always make sure that if there is a wire connected, to wait for a while before establishing wireless backhaul, and try wired backhaul first.Here is what I found out through experimentation:&nbsp;Setup: Orbi router RBK50v2 &amp; satellite RBS50v2, both running latest firmware 2.3.5.30. Router feeds an older but very trustworthy and stable 24-port unmanaged non-fancy Netgear switch in my "equipment room". One port of this 24-port feeds a wire to the wall jack of a room to which the satellite is connected. The satellite is both within range of the router (so, it can do wireless backhaul if it wants to) and is wired to the wall because it works with wired backhaul. Other outputs from the 24-port feed other rooms, and some of those rooms have the GS108Tv3 switches, all running the latest firmware&nbsp;7.0.0.16, while other rooms have older unmanaged Prosafe Plus switches.&nbsp;Scenario:&nbsp;Have everything running happily. Life is good. Now, to simulate a reboot that might come due to a power flicker or power outage or somebody bumping something or a firmware upgrade or an admin action, unplug the SATELLITE (i.e. not even the ROUTER), count to 10, then plug it back in. For a short while the satellite boots up, the white light pulsates gently, then stops. At that point, if you can catch it in time, the router admin webpage shows that the satellite is connected to it WIRELESSLY, even though it is wired to the wall. So, clearly, Orbi defaults to a wireless backhaul upon reboot. At that point, for those few seconds, the router even reports that GS108Tv3 around the house are connected, but I couldn't physically verify that since I am not The Flash to run around that fast; that might have been Orbi router showing me stale information. But within seconds of this, you lose all connection to any device, including the router (i.e. 192.168.1.1 cannot be accessed anymore). I think this is because the SATELLITE that is getting wireless backhaul "ethernet signal" from the router decides to pump out an ethernet signal through the wire leading to the wall that was originally meant to feed it the ethernet coming from the router through the 24-port. Now, the satellite feeds the 24-port, and the 24-port feeds everyone. I.e. all the switches around the house are getting this signal, including the GS108Tv3. Which means, for a bit, both the router and the satellite are feeding the 24-port, and the 24-port is sending out God knows what from the other ports. Maybe it even goes back to the router, so the router now might have a WAN input and a LAN input (that was a LAN output to the 24-port). That is probably why the router takes some sort of evasive action and disappears from the net. Eventually things settle down, the router is up and running again at 192.168.1.1, the satellite is on wired backhaul, everything is back to normal, including any of the old unmanaged switches in the rooms. Except: All the GS108Tv3 are now dark on their incoming port that was briefly flickering while the satellite was first plugged back in, and then went dark, and obviously stayed dark.&nbsp;Bottomline: This will happen to me every time any of my Orbi reboots/reinitializes, either because of actual power loss or some wired connection loss to the router which will result in a wireless connection and briefly become a producer of the signal than a consumer. Yikes!&nbsp;At this point, if this situation does NOT affect any of the non-smart non-GS108Tv3 various switches in action around the house, I am going to blame the GS108Tv3 firmware and report it. But, it is also disconcerting that a wired satellite might become a producer of wireless-converted-to-wired ethernet for a short bit during every reboot instead of waiting to see if that wired connection it senses will start feeding it instead.&nbsp;&nbsp;Thoughts?&nbsp;Tuna

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