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Euler13
Jun 25, 2018Aspirant
Orib Satellite Drops Connection
Greetings! I'm new to the community and I've just splashed out on an Orbi RBK50 AC3000 Router + Satellite to replace homeplugs and wifi-extenders. I setup the system on Friday (three days ago) and since then the satellite has lost connection twice: Saturday and today (Monday). Whilst doing this the top of the satellite is flashing white. I assume that is what happens when it loses connection?
I live in a fairly small three bed house with the router upstairs in my office, connected to a cable modem, and the satellite is downstairs in the diagonally opposite room behind the TV. I have a QNAP and my Xbox connected to the satellite via a switch. The devices were originally connected directly to the satellite, but afrer it lost connection the first time I decided to use a switch to see if it would help, but it lost connection again tonight. I can't really move them any closer together because they are both wired respectively to the modem upstairs and devices downstairs.
I've got the Orbi in AP mode and currently have the latest firmware: 2.1.4.16 installed on both.
At the moment my dream system, which has cost me a small fortune, is become a bit of a nightmare. I'm hoping that there is a simple fix or something I'm overlooking.
Any advice would be most appreciated
31 Replies
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Was a full reboot of the system performed after the recent update?
What is the distance between the router and satellite. 30feet is recommended starting distance, depending upong building materials. Anything closer could cause problems.
How big is this building? Sq Ft? Somthing too small and the Satellite maybe too much where the router alone should work well by itself. The router alone can cover around 2100-2200 sq ft.
What is the Mfr and model# of the ISP modem the orbi is connected too?
What is the Mfr and model# of this switch your using?
Any wireless nieghbors near by? if so, how many?
- Euler13Aspirant
Wow! Lots of questions.
I haven't done a full reboot. I assumed that updating the firmware would cause this to happen. I've just done a Reboot (from the Administration -> Router Status page?).
I guess the distance is about 20 feet and it would be passing through the floor and at least two walls. The materials are so thick that my modem (Virgin Media Superhub 2) - which is currently wired to the Orbi router - could not connect wirelessly with my Xbox - currently wired to the Orbi Satellite - by itself. Previously I was using a homeplug to make the connection.
Unfortunately I cannot move them any further apart and I can't just use the router because I have devices connected to the satellite in a remote location away from the modem.
The router is connected to the modem upstairs.
The satellite is downstairs has my QNAP and Xbox connected to it via a Netgear GS105 5-port Gigabit Ethernet switch.
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I'm not sure about the square footage. I'm not aware of this being done in England. But as a guess I'd say that it's about 1000 square feet on each floor?
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- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Is the ISP Modems wifi disabled?
Modem Combo Units:
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, LAN to LAN and configure AP mode on the Orbi router.20 feet is kind of close in between the router and satellite, you could try this, set the power levels on the Orbi router from 100% to 75% and see how it goes.
- Euler13Aspirant
Thanks for taking the time to help. Much appreciated. I'm sorry, but I'm fairly clueless on a number of the things you mentioned.
Yes, I've disabled the ISP router's wifi. But I don't know what bridging mode is and I couldn't find any settings in the ISP router that mentioned it. I can turn it from router mode to modem mode and it has some warning: "When in Modem Mode, only one Ethernet port will be active on your Super Hub, so when using your own router make sure it's connected to the active port as shown in the image to the left. Alternatively, connect a computer or games console directly to this port. When you are in Modem Mode, to access the Main Menu type 192.168.100.1 into your internet browser." Not sure what any of that means?
I found a tab for DMZ in the ISP router, but don't quite know what you mean. There is a checkbox to enable demilitarized zone and a box below that has 192.168.0.{box to enter number, currently has zero in it}. I know the ISP router is on 192.168.0.1 and at the moment it seems Orbi is on .22.
Also I found the page in Orbi that has the power settings, but there are a bunch of other settings that I may or may not have already changed. I've attached a screen shot of the current settings.
I wish I was more useful, but this is all new to me.
[edit]As you recommended I've changed the power settings to 75% for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz.[/edit]
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Yes, use the modems DMZ and if the IP address the Orbi router is getting 192.168.0.22 then input this IP address into the DMZ ON the modem. Set up a IP address reservation as well for that IP address ON the modem.
- Euler13Aspirant
I've reserved .22 for the Orbi router. When I set the DMZ I can only set one IP address and the hover link says, "Enter the last field of your host's IP address. For example, if the host's address is 192.168.0.154, enter 154." I have other devices that are using greater than .22, will this be a problem? I have no idea what I've just done by adjusting that setting. Also, does it matter if the IP address for the satellite is not reserved? Currently that is on .24.
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Yes, DMZ only allows for 1 IP address so input the IP address for the Orbi router. .22.
You should not see the IP address of the satellite on the ISPs modem/router. Do you have the Orbi set up for AP mode or Router mode. If your using the router mode, then the satellite should be connected to the LAN port on the Orbi router and the Yellow Port should be connected to the ISP modem/routers LAN port. Don't connect the satellite to the ISP modem/router.
- Euler13Aspirant
I have the Orbi in AP mode. The satellite isn't wired into the ISP router because the router is upstairs in the office and the satellite is downstairs in the living room. I assume it's acting as the remote access point for the devices that are connected to it downstairs. My ISP router shows the IP addresses of everything on the network. I assume that is because it's giving out the IP addresses?
- Euler13Aspirant
A follow-up question to my previous post...
Is DMZ safe to use? I've enabled it, as you suggested, but when I did a search to find out what it is - because I had (still have) no clue - most people are strongly advising not to use it. I appreciate the situations they are talking about is quite different, but apparently it means that all ports are open to the device and exposes it to the internet. Is this true? Does the Orbi take care of itself with its own firewall or have I left it (and I guess my network) vulnerable?
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
If you have the Orbi in AP mode, then you don't need to use DMZ. DMZ would only be needed for the Orbi router if you had it in Router mode.
- Euler13Aspirant
Thanks for all the replies.
Okay, I've removed the DMZ. What I'll do now is wait to see if what you've suggested helps and report back. Unfortunately during the week I'm not around much, so I can't say for sure if the problem has gone away. I'll have a much better idea after the weekend.
So in summary, I've:
- done a full re-boot since updating the firmware when setting up the units.
- reserved the IP address for the Obri router
- reduced the power output on both 2.4GHz and 5GHz to 75%
I'm assuming for my purposes it is better to have the Orbi in AP mode?
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Yes, hope for better operation.
Let us know how it goes...
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Hopefully this might fix it...keep us posted on how it goes...
- Euler13Aspirant
Okay, one month later...
Working with support has not been an easy feat. After several days of making changes, monitoring the device status, and calling back if there was a problem - there was - I make a lot of return calls. The same problem persisted.
After eight phone calls and nearly four hours on the phone making more and more changes, eventually they agreed to replace the router. I suggested that we have no way of knowing which is the faulty unit so just send two new units: router and satellite. Apparently they don't work that way. However, their system was down and they couldn't arrange an RMA. They'd call back later that day. They didn't. I called back the next day (Saturday). They couldn't do anything on Saturday, but they'd call me. They didn't. I called back on Monday. System still down, but they'd call back. One week later, no return call. I called again the following Monday and managed to get it arranged this time. However, can you believe I had to pay £20 for this privilege? There was a "free" option, but this meant paying yourself to return the unit, waiting for it to arrive back, then they would check it and send a replacement. You had full responsibility for packaging it and getting it back to them safely, covering all costs yourself. The paying option meant that they would send a replacement to your first, you then put your broken device in the packaging they used, use the pre-paid return label, and take it to a post office. It's a no brainer, but personally I think this is unreasonable when they've sold me a broken unit in the first place.
You can guess what happened next... no difference. So back to support and arranged for a replacement satellite. The email telephone chat receipt was a bit cheeky because it said, "Customer refused to diagnose." Really? Once again I had to pay £20 to replace their broken unit.
I've had the new satallite for just over one week now and so far no problems. I really hope this is the end of it and it was down to that faulty unit. It's a really great system, which has been let down by poor quality control, terrible customer care - don't get me wrong, the people I spoke to were really great - it's the system that's in place. After I've paid £300 for their top of the range product it should work out of the box. If it doesn't, then I'd expect maybe one or two attempts at doing fixes, but after that doesn't work they should be apologising for wasting my time and immediately, free of charge, sending replacements for both units with no obligation to return the original.
If anyone else has similar problems, then I'd recommend giving support a couple of goes, but after that refuse point blank to waste any more of your time and demand a replacement unit. Sadly it's going to cost you.
I'd like to thank you, FURRYe38, for your help. When I first spoke with support I told them that I'd had some great help from a member of the community and we'd spent nearly one month trying things.
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Glad the replacement unit worked out. Seems like working with NG support can be a hassle. Ya when sending stuff back to Mfrs, it's always a two way lane, the customer had to pay for shipping back. This is normal across the board for most Mfrs.
Hope your new unit will be fine now. Let hope you don't have to do this again. :smileyfrustrated:
Enjoy. :smileywink: