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SXK80 2.5Gbe Wired Backhual with Switch in between
I have a need to use a use a switch in between the SXR80 router and SXS80 satellites. Customer wants to use an MS510TX, MS510TXM, or MS4300-16X for the switch. Will multiple VLANS (admin, guest, IoT, ...
What VLANs are actually configured and in use on the Orbi router and satellites by default? My guess is 1, 20, 30, and 40. Maybe even 50. There is that 5th VLAN that you can customize for the 5th LAN port that I mentioned earlier (there are one 2.5Gbe and four 1Gbe LAN ports, so it makes sense that they would allow for five VLANs).
Have you added any of these VLANs (20 for Employee, 30 for Guest, and/or 40 for IoT) on the MS510TXPP?
Per the Orbi manual, you need to set the LAN ports you are using for wired backhaul to Trunk in the Orbi router, even the satellite as well I think. I'm thinking you probably need to do all of this same stuf for the ports on your MS510TXPP that you are using to connect the Orbi satellites and router.
The MS510TXPP has IP routing turned on by default. I'd turn that off since the Orbi router is VLAN-aware and has a DHCP server for each VLAN. Make sure those DHCP servers are enabled in the Oribi router of course (for any VLANs in use anyway). The MS510TXPP may have IP routing, but it definitely doesn't have DHCP server capabilities.
Hopefully I'm making sense here.
This is what I'd do:
- Add these four VLANs in [Switching -> VLAN -> Advanced -> VLAN Configuration] (20 for Employee, 30 for Guest, 40 for IoT, and 50 for Custom or whatever it's named in the Orbi router).
- Change ports 5-8 to 'T' (for Trunk) for each of the four VLANs (including for VLAN 1, if necessary) you just created in [Switching -> VLAN -> Advanced -> VLAN Membership] assuming you are using those four ports to connect an Orbi router and three satellites using the four multi-gig ports on that switch. That's how I do it. I'd be using LAN port 2 (configure it for WAN duties instead of the LAN 1 2.5Gbe port) on the router to connect to the modem and LAN port 1 (the 2.5Gbe port) on the router for wired backhaul.
- Change the 'VLAN Member' and 'VLAN Tag' for ports 5-8 to be '1, 20, 30, 40, 50' in [Switching -> VLAN -> Advanced -> Port PVID Configuration]. I'd change 'Ingress Filtering' to be 'Disable' for all ports and LAGs while you're in there. That's typically the default for all of the Smart Managed Pro switches... I think they realized this mistake cause I noticed they changed it to 'Disable' in the newer MS510TXM/UP switches.
- I'd also turn off 'Routing Mode' in [Routing -> IP]
I hope this helps.
Just how much does the new MS510TX(M/UP) supporting "full Insight management" (as of firmware v1.0.1.5) get us?
It seems to me that if those switches are in fact fully supported by Insight, not only should we be able to get them to work as I'm requesting (using wired backhaul with one of those switches in between the new Orbi Pro router and its satellites), but we should also be able to utilize the switch's full potential (i.e. use ACLs for InterVLAN Routing for printer sharing, etc). Would you agree?
Also, since the Orbi Pro router is VLAN-aware, the setup I'm describing would, in many ways, would be comparable to using a BR200 (or BR500), an MS510TXUP, and WAX610s.
This is what my clients are asking me for. Well, actually they want to be able to use one of the few smart-pro/fully-managed multi-gig switches that Netgear offers (i.e. the MS510TX, MS510TXPP, or M4300-16X)... not just one of the newer MS510 models. But I'll take what I can get.
kc6108 wrote:Just how much does the new MS510TX(M/UP) supporting "full Insight management" (as of firmware v1.0.1.5) get us?
Not sure where this citation is coming from. That's not how Insight works. There are select features available for an Insight managed network which can be used over the selection of routers, switches, and APs. In no mean Insight does provide a fully featured control access to all bells and whistles.
kc6108 wrote:It seems to me that if those switches are in fact fully supported by Insight, not only should we be able to get them to work as I'm requesting (using wired backhaul with one of those switches in between the new Orbi Pro router and its satellites), ...
Bringing up an Orbi Pro WiFi 6 system and the switch(es) for adding VLAN and assigning to the ports should be a snap - just as it is for switches, WAC/WAX, and the router.
I never had the pleasure to set-up a test environment with Orbi Pro WiFi 6 alone, and then in combination with a matching switch. Yes, I prefer the classic approach. But I would be happy to test it - with Netgear's support, backing, and a direct contact to device engineering. Specifically for the Orbi Pro WiFi 6 and switch combo, I would expect some specific terms and features (like a simple one-click definition or selection for the wired backhaul satellite ports).
kc6108 wrote:...but we should also be able to utilize the switch's full potential (i.e. use ACLs for InterVLAN Routing for printer sharing, etc). Would you agree?
I would agree, however - switch based inter-VLAN routing isn't part of the Insight features, and so there is no ACL config (which is in it's full extent ways beyond of whee I see Insight). Be aware that the BR[2|5[00 firewall configuration must be done locally on the device as of writing.
But ... when I read the "simple" things like "just" a printer sharing ... well, today's modern mobile and dynamic printer driver configs require printer discovery (UPnP SSDP resp. Bonjour), so basically Multicast ... a feature which does not exist, neither on the switch interVLAN routing nor on the BR[2|5]00. Now that will make even more fun for allowing/controlling visibility/denying the printer access. So you could "print" if you use say IP:lpr or IP:9100 or IP:lpp ... this is not what the User 2021 want to hear. At least not my customer base.
When we check what eg. the networks HP printers require ... some broad overview is here -> HP Jetdirect Print Servers - HP Jetdirect Port Numbers for TCP/IP (UDP) Connections Have I understood "just" printing over multiple subnets above?
All discussion items for my next video call with Netgear' marketing department.
kc6108 wrote:This is what my clients are asking me for. Well, actually they want to be able to use one of the few smart-pro/fully-managed multi-gig switches that Netgear offers (i.e. the MS510TX, MS510TXPP, or M4300-16X)... not just one of the newer MS510 models.
Netgear has started with Insight on the purpose designed cloud switches like GCxxxx[X]XP]P!PP], then select Smart Managed Pro were added to the cloud management portfolio. The two new MS510TXM/TXUP are to my knowledge the first to Smart Managed Pro models coming with Insight cloud support from scratch.
The Managed switch families are, just like the Smart Managed Plus (lack of resources and capabilities), not intended for cloud management. What I'm completely missing is the availability of the XS 10G models for cloud management ... the highest end for a "core" switch is are the two new MS510's.
Fair enough? I would like to hear and learn what other prospect say Orbi Pro WiFi 6, MS510xxx, and in general customers for Insight Pro provider managed (that's what we use) think about. In my prospctive, the Orbi Pro WiFi 6 management - and specially the monitoring capabilites - are definitively not there where I would expect to see it (like wireless clients by satellite not just "per Orbi").
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