I have a need to use a use a switch in between the SXR80 router and SXS80 satellites. Customer wants to use an MS510TX, MS510TXM, or MS4300-16X for the switch. Will multiple VLANS (admin, guest, IoT, and office) work in this scenario? I’m guessing this would be using the satellites in AP mode. The MS510TX(M) switches support IP routing, but being Smart Pro switches lack much of the other managed switch functionalities. What is the best way to use the SXK80B3 mesh product with one of the multi-gig switches? The customer needs >1Gbe LAN connections. Would the M4250-12M2XF be a better multi-gig switch in this use case? Please feel free to be specific on how to connect the products all together. The customer has a CM2000 cable modem that has a 2.5Gbe port. The customer has gigabit Internet connection that is over provisioned to 1.5 gig. I told the customer the SXR80 only has one 2.5Gbe port. The customer is rather upset that it doesn’t have two… one for WAN duties and one for LAN to connect to the satellites. Why hasn’t Netgear added this yet… or at least an SFP+ port or two on the SXR80 and SXS80’s?Please feel free to suggest other product groupings.Are there no multi-gig routers with multiple multi-gig ports? Is the SXR80 the only VLAN aware router at Netgear?

As I have mentioned before, I don't have an SXK80 Oribi Pro system on hand... and as schumaku has mentioned, with the SXK80, there are multiple VLANs at play. From the manual it looks like there are four pre-defined VLANs: Default (VLAN 1), Employee (VLAN 20), Guest (VLAN 30), and IoT (VLAN 40) The manual also mentions five LANs: • LAN 1. This LAN is set as the default VLAN profile (default IP address is 192.168.1.1).• LAN 2. This LAN is set to the employee VLAN profile (default IP address is 192.168.20.1).• LAN 3. This LAN is set to the IoT VLAN profile (default IP address is 192.168.30.1).• LAN 4. This LAN is set to the guest VLAN profile (default IP address is 192.168.40.1).• LAN 5. You can set a custom VLAN profile for this LAN (default IP address is 192.168.50.1). The manual also mentions needing to make changes to RIP, port to be trunk vs access, etc. I wouldn't expect this to be a plug and play solution, but I do think Netgear would have already tested all of this in their lab already. The SXK80 is a business solution, and they would have known the need to use a switch between the router and satellites would be a common use case. We just need Netgear to provide better documentation for this type of scenario/topology.

kc6108 wrote:I have a need to use a use a switch in between the SXR80 router and SXS80 satellites.So you intend to create a wired backhaul - OK kc6108 wrote:Customer wants to use an MS510TX, MS510TXM, or MS4300-16X for the switch.Nothing wrong with these ideas. Depends of course on how many wired MultiGig and 10G devices they want to connect to this new wired network enviornment, beyond of the just three Orbi Por 6 devices. kc6108 wrote:IWill multiple VLANS (admin, guest, IoT, and office) work in this scenario?Yes, of course. Needless to say, the VLANs and ports must be configured accordingly, either using the local UIs, or using Insight. kc6108 wrote:I’m guessing this would be using the satellites in AP mode.Well, the wired backhaul can be used with the Orbi Pro WiFi 6 system in router as well as in AP mode. kc6108 wrote:The MS510TX(M) switches support IP routing, but being Smart Pro switches lack much of the other managed switch functionalities. What is the best way to use the SXK80B3 mesh product with one of the multi-gig switches?Don't think you need inter-VLAN routing initially anyway. What "features" do you think are missing on the Smart Managed Pro switches in general, and specifically on the MS510TXM? When considering any Orbi Pro this is unlikley an enterprise network with the related staff to set-up, maintain, and operate isn't it? kc6108 wrote:The customer has a CM2000 cable modem that has a 2.5Gbe port. The customer has gigabit Internet connection that is over provisioned to 1.5 gig. I told the customer the SXR80 only has one 2.5Gbe portYeah, sometimes it's the job for the system integrator to show the limitations and unpopular answers. Comes the question for how long the over-provisioning will retain overall - eg. of the ISP does add more bandwidth hungry customers ot the headend for example. You might consider configuring a LAG using the two designated LAN ports to the new added switch. For concurrent usage (by more than just one client on the [W]LAN), this would allow to make use of the over-provisioned bandwith. If however the customer is speedtest blinded and unhappy if he does not get this speed on a single computer on the [W]LAN, well. kc6108 wrote:The customer is rather upset that it doesn’t have two… one for WAN duties and one for LAN to connect to the satellites.Well, nobody ever promised something different - this is well visible as part of the marketing and the product specs, including the Data Sheet. kc6108 wrote:Why hasn’t Netgear added this yet… or at least an SFP+ port or two on the SXR80 and SXS80’s?Different scope - Orbi Pro WiFi 6 is intended mainly as a throw-in Mesh system, being on a wired or wireless backhaul ... not as a platform for a MultiGit/10G networks. kc6108 wrote:Are there no multi-gig routers with multiple multi-gig ports?Sure these exist, the market is still very niche. Especially where other technology is used, like XGS-PON ... where using own routers is becoming a very difficult thing, and then not allowing seemless IPTV and VoIP ... kc6108 wrote:Is the SXR80 the only VLAN aware router at Netgear?No, however there isn't much beyond their and the BR500/BR200 with plain GbE only.

I try the MS510TXPP switch yesterday, But the orbi Pro SXK80 can not use the switch to wired backhaul.https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi-AX/How-to-set-Netgear-managed-switch-to-support-Orbi-Pro-wifi6/m-p/2055242#M12185

That is not what I wanted to hear. Maybe the MS510TXM or a fully managed switch would work. I really need to get my hands on a SXK80, MS510TXM/UP, and XSM4316PA/B to fully vet the new Orbi Pro line myself. I have had so many clients asking about the SXK80 along with Netgear's new multi-gig switches. 1Gbe connections just aren't fast enough for some of my clients. 2.5/5Gbe ports are becoming a must feature for a lot of my clients. Netgear's software implementation of LAGs are okay, but not what the client needs a lot of the time.

Me too. I also want to use managed switch with 2.5G/5G/10G Port to wired backhaul. But I can not find the way to config the managed switch for SXK80 wired backhual in netgear website. Now I have to change to unmanaged switch and just use GE Port to Wired backhaul : (

SXK80 2.5Gbe Wired Backhual with Switch in between

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schumaku
Guru - Experienced User
Feb 08, 2021
kc6108 wrote:
I have a need to use a use a switch in between the SXR80 router and SXS80 satellites.
So you intend to create a wired backhaul - OK

kc6108 wrote:
Customer wants to use an MS510TX, MS510TXM, or MS4300-16X for the switch.
Nothing wrong with these ideas. Depends of course on how many wired MultiGig and 10G devices they want to connect to this new wired network enviornment, beyond of the just three Orbi Por 6 devices.

kc6108 wrote:
IWill multiple VLANS (admin, guest, IoT, and office) work in this scenario?
Yes, of course. Needless to say, the VLANs and ports must be configured accordingly, either using the local UIs, or using Insight.

kc6108 wrote:
I’m guessing this would be using the satellites in AP mode.
Well, the wired backhaul can be used with the Orbi Pro WiFi 6 system in router as well as in AP mode.

kc6108 wrote:
The MS510TX(M) switches support IP routing, but being Smart Pro switches lack much of the other managed switch functionalities. What is the best way to use the SXK80B3 mesh product with one of the multi-gig switches?
Don't think you need inter-VLAN routing initially anyway. What "features" do you think are missing on the Smart Managed Pro switches in general, and specifically on the MS510TXM? When considering any Orbi Pro this is unlikley an enterprise network with the related staff to set-up, maintain, and operate isn't it?

kc6108 wrote:
The customer has a CM2000 cable modem that has a 2.5Gbe port. The customer has gigabit Internet connection that is over provisioned to 1.5 gig. I told the customer the SXR80 only has one 2.5Gbe port
Yeah, sometimes it's the job for the system integrator to show the limitations and unpopular answers.

Comes the question for how long the over-provisioning will retain overall - eg. of the ISP does add more bandwidth hungry customers ot the headend for example.

You might consider configuring a LAG using the two designated LAN ports to the new added switch. For concurrent usage (by more than just one client on the [W]LAN), this would allow to make use of the over-provisioned bandwith. If however the customer is speedtest blinded and unhappy if he does not get this speed on a single computer on the [W]LAN, well.

kc6108 wrote:
The customer is rather upset that it doesn’t have two… one for WAN duties and one for LAN to connect to the satellites.
Well, nobody ever promised something different - this is well visible as part of the marketing and the product specs, including the Data Sheet.

kc6108 wrote:
Why hasn’t Netgear added this yet… or at least an SFP+ port or two on the SXR80 and SXS80’s?
Different scope - Orbi Pro WiFi 6 is intended mainly as a throw-in Mesh system, being on a wired or wireless backhaul ... not as a platform for a MultiGit/10G networks.

kc6108 wrote:
Are there no multi-gig routers with multiple multi-gig ports?
Sure these exist, the market is still very niche. Especially where other technology is used, like XGS-PON ... where using own routers is becoming a very difficult thing, and then not allowing seemless IPTV and VoIP ...

kc6108 wrote:
Is the SXR80 the only VLAN aware router at Netgear?
No, however there isn't much beyond their and the BR500/BR200 with plain GbE only.
- TonyTest
  Tutor
  Feb 10, 2021
  I try the MS510TXPP switch yesterday, But the orbi Pro SXK80 can not use the switch to wired backhaul.
  https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi-AX/How-to-set-Netgear-managed-switch-to-support-Orbi-Pro-wifi6/m-p/2055242#M12185
  - kc6108
    Luminary
    Feb 11, 2021
    That is not what I wanted to hear. Maybe the MS510TXM or a fully managed switch would work. I really need to get my hands on a SXK80, MS510TXM/UP, and XSM4316PA/B to fully vet the new Orbi Pro line myself. I have had so many clients asking about the SXK80 along with Netgear's new multi-gig switches. 1Gbe connections just aren't fast enough for some of my clients. 2.5/5Gbe ports are becoming a must feature for a lot of my clients. Netgear's software implementation of LAGs are okay, but not what the client needs a lot of the time.

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