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SAM_the_GAM
Dec 14, 2019Luminary
RAX80 New Firmware Released 1.0.1.70
I just manually checked for new firmware version and 1.0.1.70 was available. I just updated from 1.0.1.56 which seemed the most stable for me with no lan / wan disconnections. The prior version 1.0.1.64 would disconnect my lan / wan connection which did not work very well for VOIP. Hoping the disconnections / reconnections issue is solved in 1.0.1.70 but release notes were mainly for security and fixing minor issues.
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- nikebumTutor
Hi Sam_the_Gam
i was wondering how the upgrade to 1.0.1.70_1.0.30 was, i have had most of the same issues mentioned by others in a very long thread. I have rolled back ect.
I called Netgear as i really just do not want this unit anymore and have spent countless hours fixing or fighting with other household members over it not working. however if there is an improvement i would prefer to hold onto the unit as when it is good it is good, but then something happens and it kills the network, i have improved many network issues by simply assigning static IP, and have some managed Netgear switches that improved the wired devices.
i often encounter issues on the Apple and Samsung devices when using apps, not necessarily web browser, but then it is so randomly occurring simply turning wifi off/on on the mobile devices resolves it for a period of time.
i am still on V1.0.1.64_1.0.27 For my RAX80, and would be greatly appreciated if you could share if any noticeable difference in wifi.
Cheers
Speed cap problem still persists
- SAM_the_GAMLuminary
nikebum wrote:Hi Sam_the_Gam
i was wondering how the upgrade to 1.0.1.70_1.0.30 was, i have had most of the same issues mentioned by others in a very long thread. I have rolled back ect.
I called Netgear as i really just do not want this unit anymore and have spent countless hours fixing or fighting with other household members over it not working. however if there is an improvement i would prefer to hold onto the unit as when it is good it is good, but then something happens and it kills the network, i have improved many network issues by simply assigning static IP, and have some managed Netgear switches that improved the wired devices.
i often encounter issues on the Apple and Samsung devices when using apps, not necessarily web browser, but then it is so randomly occurring simply turning wifi off/on on the mobile devices resolves it for a period of time.
i am still on V1.0.1.64_1.0.27 For my RAX80, and would be greatly appreciated if you could share if any noticeable difference in wifi.
Cheers
I had to downgrade to 1.0.1.56 because the LAN would periodically disconnect / reconnect causing loss of internet connectivity. Then the WAN devices would also periodically discoonect / reconnect causing loss of internet. Everything for me has been stable so far with 1.0.1.56 for the past 6 days.
Yet another failure on Netgear. Firmware upgrade available .... would you like to upgrade?
Well, Yes I would like to upgrade .... "This process takes about 2 minutes to complete."
15 minutes later the router rebooted and is stuck in a blinking white/orange power light ... This was supposed to go from .64 to .70. Done with it ...
- GabboCHApprenticeCan someone share the release notes?
On the support website it's still showing 64 as the latest firmware.
In an exchange with level 2 support 2 days ago they told me they had no information from the Engineering Team regarding the Wi-Fi connectivity problems & didn't mention this new firmware....
Will be interesting to know if the Wi-Fi connection it's stable with this update...- SAM_the_GAMLuminary
GabboCH wrote:
Can someone share the release notes?
Hereshowing 64 as the latest firmware.
In an exchange with level 2 support 2 days ago they told me they had no information from the Engineering Team regarding the Wi-Fi connectivity problems & didn't mention this new firmware....
Will be interesting to know if the Wi-Fi connection it's stable with this update...Here are the release notes listed for upgrade to 1.0.1.70 from 1.0.1.56. I had to downgrade to 1.0.1.56 again because LAN / WAN are still disconnecting then reconnecting at random times causing internet disconnections on Ethernet / Wi-Fi
1. [New Features] Adds an option to show or hide the wireless password on the Wireless Setup page. 2. [Bug Fixes] The Wireless Setup page displayed the wrong channel list for the 5GHz band. 3. [Bug Fixes] The GUI contained language translation errors. 4. [Bug Fixes] Other minor bugs. 5. [Bug Fixes] If the device name on Attached Devices page was changed, rebooting the router restored the device name back to the default name. 6. [Bug Fixes] If the router's GUI language was set to Chinese, the language changed back to English after the configuration file was restored. 7. [Bug Fixes] The success page displayed a "Page not found" message if a non-English browser was used. 8. [Bug Fixes] Fixes minor bugs. 9. [Bug Fixes] Fixes security issues. 10. [Security Fixes] This firmware fixes security issues. 11. [Bug Fixes] The correct 5 GHz channels now displays when the Korea and India regions are selected. 12. [Bug Fixes] The default Beacon interval is now set to 100 and the DTIM is now set to 3. 13. [Bug Fixes] Improve 2.4GHz Auto channel selection algorithm. 14. [Bug Fixes] Client devices with only IPv6 address are now able to access the router web interface using www.routerlogin.com. 15. [Bug Fixes] Fixes minor bugs. 16. [Security Fixes] This firmware fixes security issues. 17. [Bug Fixes] The block service feature does not work properly if WAN aggregation is enabled. 18. [Bug Fixes] The 2.4 GHz and 5GHz bands are not selectable when bridge mode is enabled. 19. [Bug Fixes] Fixes minor bugs. - GabboCHApprenticeDoesn't seem so convincing as the only real change concerning Wi-Fi was the auto channel selection update from 64 which didn't seem to work (at least channel 1 selected in auto mode gave me non connection from all my devices).
It's also very helpful to just write, "bugfix" or "security" update in the notes...
The products I work on don't go to thousands of consumers but I'd never write that as a release note for a change request.
I'll try it next week & see how it goes for a few days...
At the first sign of dropouts it's back in the box.
GabboCH wrote:
Can someone share the release notes?
On the support website it's still showing 64 as the latest firmware.The release notes:
1. [Security Fixes] This firmware fixes security issues. 2. [Bug Fixes] The block service feature does not work properly if WAN aggregation is enabled. 3. [Bug Fixes] The 2.4 GHz and 5GHz bands are not selectable when bridge mode is enabled. 4. [Bug Fixes] Fixes minor bugs. - GabboCHApprentice
Doesn't sound like any attempt to fix the real problems.....
I flashed this firmware yesterday, (what a horrible process with the Nighthawk app.... Please wait 2 minutes to check you are connected to the network we just asked you to connect to...), no way to skip any of the task, no way to choose router or access point mode...)
I will connect it to my network on wednesday to see if its any better than before.....
- SeperisGuide
This is going to be long getting to the point, but if I'm wrong, I went someone to be able to tell me where, or be able to recreate the steps next time they flash back and have access to telnet, which I would kill for right now to see what's going on in the logs. It's possible to fix the access control/attached devices problem. Maybe.
So I just got this router on Saturday and pretty much hit all the problems, especially attached devices and my regular log showing about thirty entries of nothing but the date Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 18:00:00 at random intervals,. I factory reset, telneted in to clear the NVRAM, installed the original firmware release, and spent the last few days testing to see what was going on and took notes. Today I finally came back to the latest firmware for a bit because I was about ninety percent sure the problem was something was causing an overwrite of the NVRAM in the ac_dev_names variables at different points in the strings except--for some reason--the first six devices listed in ac_dev_names. Not a javascript or json, either, so not something I could correct myself.
I saved and examined the nvram eight times and those first six devices in 0 were the only part that never changed. I also saved multiple versions of update_device_info.log and device_detect.log from /tmp so I could see what was happening between changing the name, it showing up in /tmp/devices.json, and then being populated into /tmp/AttachedDevices. I learned one, someone didn't know how to spell Attached; two, groups is misconfigured in /etc but as it's read only, I couldn't fix the problem with 'guest' ; and three, the process wget-device runs in conjunction with get NTP time every three seconds according to the update_device_info. log, which seemed excessive, with _Agent.isStartChecking:0 running right before wget-device every fifteen seconds. This weirdness with time also appeared in device_detect.log, but it was arps every six seconds with random time travel to January 2016 and September 2018.
Anyway, I decided to try again later when I felt like bringing down my entire network and rebuilding it again, updated the firmware to current, noticed Access Control was screwing with the names again and went to play with the Nighthawk app because my profession is software testing and mobile app testing and this is how I have fun. I filled in all the devices in the app to the correct name and give them random device types and turn remote management on and off, yeah, there's not much to do there When I went back to the main browser interface, though, attached devices were--well, not right, but all the names matched the app even if it thought half my devices were Fire TV 4K Generation 3. Access Control was perfect; all my names were exactly as I had entered them. I went to attached devices, tentatively fixed the device type and model, it all stuck. Access Control stuck. While I was looking at settings in the online gui wondering about witchcraft, I noticed ion the NTP page that Daylight Savings Time was unchecked, which has also kept happening like a lot. I turned it on (again), went to verify some wireless settings, and then went back to Attached to see my devices progressively becoming unknown, and Access Control as well. I recreated all my app steps, no go, then I remembered how weird it was that NTP was running every three seconds during device detection, remembered this thread where someone said their speed was throttling at time sync even after the QoS toggle, and turned off Daylight Savings Time and recreated my steps again in the app.
Roughly three hours and change later (as of now), Access Control and Attached Devices in the online GUI are unchanged from what I entered in the Nighthawk App this last time, except what I've edited in attached devices for model and device type every so often to see if it holds and adding a device in Access Control. So its sticking, at least for three and change hours and counting. Still getting the December 31 1969 entries in the log, though. So this might fail at the four hour mark, but I thought I'd share in case someone else can use this.
- xjnApprentice
I wonder if the errors occur with time sync only using default Netgear server? I noticed sometimes when looking at Time Sync setting page that it said could not connect to the Netgear server.... maybe we should use a non Netgear one like time . google . com to see if that fixes some issues.
- nikebumTutor
Thanks xjn Seperis i also had NTP issues and since setting it to my NAS things have definitely improved with the time issue.
Being away over the last couple days, the network remained ok with my roommate not reporting any issues or needing to restart, but also communication that i should have received while away from the network, working as expected.
In addition my home automation worked as expected with the SmartThings ADT arming and disarming correctly as well as the thermostat.
Again though upon returning the issues remained in the mobile devices by Samsung and Apple.
i have had a somewhat stable network for all other devices for a few days now without requiring a restart.
- SeperisGuideRelated to my earlier post: A quick fix for Access Control names/Attached devices Nighthawk App apparently does not have the same problem with persistence of naming, kudos to the app developers for managing that. When your names mess up in the online GUI, go into the app, click on the name, and switch its device to something vaguely related, and save. Name is fixed in both Access Control and Attached Devices. Won't help with actual device type ,but it will fix the friendly name.
- GabboCHApprenticeI've seen this too with exactly the same problem...
The device types in the web Gui are quite good & have predefined types like Xbox.
The device types from the nighthawk app are completely different & any edits here screw up what was already defined in the web gui.
- cliff344Apprentice
Where are you guys finding this firmware release? I cannot find it anywhere? Did they pull it already? Was it just a beta? Link?
- GabboCHApprenticeIf you use the nighthawk app it will find the firmware or try the firmware update feature from the router admin webpage.
The download webpage still doesn't show the latest version or the release notes.
A good example of Netgear software capabilities....
There are no changes or fixes in this firmware release to address the Wi-Fi connectivity issues & for me it introduced a new bug where I couldn't maintain a hardwired connection with my Xbox.
RAX80 back in the box....
- mcfwi19Aspirant
Nighthawk RAX80 with firmware V1.0.1.70_1.0.30
Operation Mode: Access Point
Enviroment: Home Network (Windows, Linux & Android clients).
Since it was new it has become unresponsive and unable to pass network traffic (LAN & WIFI) randomly. Early on it couldn't funtion as a router at all for over a week without dropping all connections (LAN & WIFI) requiring physical reboots.
In order to make use of it at all, I have been forced to set it as just an access point with a static IP (albeit an expensive one). I regularly update it to the latest firmware in hopes of getting it functioning but even with the current firmware V1.0.1.70 it looses LAN and WIFI connections. The only progress I have seen with firmware updates are that it has gone from locking up every few days to once a month.
WIFI connections:
When WIFI connections are lost (all connections are dropped 2.4 & 5GHz with no indication in the logs on why). Devices indicate that they are connected to the RAX80 but are unable to send or recieve any traffic.
LAN connections:
When the LAN connections are dropped the unit is totally dead (no LAN or WIFI and the routers web page is non-existent). The connection LEDs are lit but show no activity. After cycling power "nothing" is shown in the logs to shed any light on why (just that it was powered up and had previously synced the time many hours before). Even being set as just an access point it has always shown Internet 'Not Connected' when it is.
It has 22 to 26 attached devices (6 being wifi) so I know it isnt under any heavy load.
Is there any hope for it or am I the owner of an extremely expensive door stop?
- GabboCHApprenticemcfwi19
In the 5 months I've owned the device with the same issues everyone is reporting with Wi-Fi, I've not once had any feedback from Netgear suggesting they have any clue how to fix these issues despite having a support case open & providing multiple logs.
When I said I was trying to return the device, they closed my case.
I don't think we will ever see a working device as there is "nothing wrong" so obviously no-one is working on a solution.
For me, if it requires a daily reboot & had unstable Wi-Fi speeds it's unacceptable given the price especially as out of the box is doesn't work (without changing any settings).
It's also missing basic settings like parental controls, the security features available on lesser nighthawk models & features you'd expect on a TopEnd router like WPA3.
The free router I have from my ISP has never required a reboot or changing any of the settings. It works with one SSID straight out of the box.
The same is true of the Netgear Ex8000 extender which i am now using and this is less than half the cost.- cliff344Apprentice
Any news about a future firmware release on this garbage? Crickets from Netgear.
- Christian_RNETGEAR Employee Retired
Hello Nighthawk AX Community,
For those still experiencing intermittent internet disconnections while on FW v1.0.1.70 and needing to periodically reboot the router to resolve your issue, please send me a message. We are looking for users to help us look into this report. If you're interested to work with our engineering team please send me a message with your contact info and serial number.
Thanks,
Christian - joshhae23Aspirant
Netgear,
2 Major Issues below, the 3rd is the log file present each time over the course of 48 hours. I've seen this mentioned several times over the forum but no viable explanation or solution has been provided over the last two firmware releases. I've waited patiently long enough and it's time that not just my issues are addressed, but a status update is given to everyone else on this forum who spent the extra money on your equipment and are basically being shafted at this point.
1. I currently have Spectrum Ultra Internet Service (400 MB/s) yet my 400 dollar router wont allow my speeds to go above 200 MB/S. *I thought i hated my previous very expensive router (Linksys EA9500) but I owe them an apology letter compared to this.
2. My internet disconnects roughly every 1-2 hours. It doesn't show up on your administrative logs, not sure why, but luckily my telivision is connected via LAN and it shows up every time the internet cuts out, sometimes 1 minutes, sometimes 5, but we haven't made it through 1 netflix movie without a network interuption since the day we got this router
3. I clear out my logs and started to monitor them every time my internet would cut out over the course of 2 days. This Time/Date Stamp showed up each and every time,
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
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Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00
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Wednesday, Dec 31,1969 16:00:00- PDWhiteApprentice
Josh,
I'm very familiar with problem #3. After seeing it several times after a restart, I have dismissed it as just (another) artifact of the firmware's tenuous grasp of the underlying hardware.
As for your problem #1 about slower throughput than your service should be, this suggests a few questions to answer before any conclusion it made. First: Where are you measuring the speed. To determine this correctly, you must run the Speedtest that is located on the RAX80's QOS page. Running this on your computer or phone will only tell you how fast your computer or phone is running. Secondly: If the speed test on the QOS page only shows 200 Mbps, the problem is between the RAX's web interface and the street. It is quite likely that that may need some examination. (You may need to call your internet provider to help you configure their modem to work correctly with your RAX.) They should also be able to determine whether you are actually getting your rated bandwidth from the internet or not. - Suggestion: See if your internet modem also has a speedtest built in. Many of them do...
Problem #2: This may also apply to the interface with the modem. If you have is 'auto' connected with the modem, it may have simply allowed itself to become just another device on the modem's LAN. Most modern internet modems also contain firewall and router capabilities, and they may be throttling the throughput to your RAX in order to save some for other users, whether they exist or not. - The best way to bypass these problems is to have your modem device set to pass-through mode or not. Direct pass-through is by far the best. Ask the service provider how to correctly set their modem for pass-through or at least router behind router service. However, there are problems with pass-through which can affect uninterrupted bandwidth. These settings can be incorrectly configured, such as lease renewal. - If you cannot get a pass-through type internet connection, you may need to put your RAX into pass-through mode. (PLEASE look at the RAX's Internet IP to make certain it is running on a private IP address; Pass-through on a direct-to-internet connection can be a real disaster.
On the side of this issue. Netgear does manufacture excellent networking equipment, however, they really released a mega-lemon with their RAX80 Nighthawk. I noticed that by reading the reviews on various websites, most of the good ones come from people who know very little about the technology. Maybe ignorance is bliss.
Personally, I think the RAX80 should be renamed the NightTurkey. I manged to return mine, and I replaced it with another AX-capable router by another manufacturer who managed to do everything right. Since then, I've had flawless wifi coverage, full speed from my 1 Gigabit internet service, and no connection hiccups.
I hopt this bit of advice is helpful. I give it free; you make take it for what it's worth... 🙄
- xjnApprentice
PDWhite wrote:Josh,
I'm very familiar with problem #3. After seeing it several times after a restart, I have dismissed it as just (another) artifact of the firmware's tenuous grasp of the underlying hardware.
As for your problem #1 about slower throughput than your service should be, this suggests a few questions to answer before any conclusion it made. First: Where are you measuring the speed. To determine this correctly, you must run the Speedtest that is located on the RAX80's QOS page. Running this on your computer or phone will only tell you how fast your computer or phone is running. Secondly: If the speed test on the QOS page only shows 200 Mbps, the problem is between the RAX's web interface and the street. It is quite likely that that may need some examination. (You may need to call your internet provider to help you configure their modem to work correctly with your RAX.) They should also be able to determine whether you are actually getting your rated bandwidth from the internet or not. - Suggestion: See if your internet modem also has a speedtest built in. Many of them do...
Problem #2: This may also apply to the interface with the modem. If you have is 'auto' connected with the modem, it may have simply allowed itself to become just another device on the modem's LAN. Most modern internet modems also contain firewall and router capabilities, and they may be throttling the throughput to your RAX in order to save some for other users, whether they exist or not. - The best way to bypass these problems is to have your modem device set to pass-through mode or not. Direct pass-through is by far the best. Ask the service provider how to correctly set their modem for pass-through or at least router behind router service. However, there are problems with pass-through which can affect uninterrupted bandwidth. These settings can be incorrectly configured, such as lease renewal. - If you cannot get a pass-through type internet connection, you may need to put your RAX into pass-through mode. (PLEASE look at the RAX's Internet IP to make certain it is running on a private IP address; Pass-through on a direct-to-internet connection can be a real disaster.
On the side of this issue. Netgear does manufacture excellent networking equipment, however, they really released a mega-lemon with their RAX80 Nighthawk. I noticed that by reading the reviews on various websites, most of the good ones come from people who know very little about the technology. Maybe ignorance is bliss.
Personally, I think the RAX80 should be renamed the NightTurkey. I manged to return mine, and I replaced it with another AX-capable router by another manufacturer who managed to do everything right. Since then, I've had flawless wifi coverage, full speed from my 1 Gigabit internet service, and no connection hiccups.
I hopt this bit of advice is helpful. I give it free; you make take it for what it's worth... 🙄
The built in router speed test is almost useless because it doesn't let the user pick which server. Whenerever I use it, it picks a really close server from a local ISP that is slow. I get a more accurate and much higher speed test over Ethernet or on phone since I can pick a decent server.