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Mikey94025's avatar
Jun 02, 2016
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R8500 with latest V1.0.2.54_1.0.56 intermittently loses DNS

I replaced my R7000 very recently with a R8500 and am very pleased with the faster 5G speeds.  I'm running the latest R8500 firmware, V1.0.2.54_1.0.56, but notice that my DNS disappears intermittently (can't surf the internet anymore).  I can still ping external IP addresses like Google DNS 8.8.8.8 but DNS resolution fails on multiple PCs on my home network.  The R8500 web console reports the Internet Status is GOOD but DNS isn't working.

 

If I go to Advanced/Internet Port/Connection Status and force a connection release/renew it still doesn't fix the DNS.  If I change the DNS from Google to Automatic ISP (or back again, it's not the DNS setting that matters only that it changes) then the DNS is restored.  I've seen this intermittent DNS failure when using both Google DNS and my ISP's automatic DNS servers (Comcast).  I also switched my Arris Tg862 cable modem to bridged mode (since I only use my R8500's wireless and DHCP) but I still experience the intermittent DNS disappearances.

 

Any suggestions?  I read the other thread "R8500-DNS-periodic-DNS-errors-failures" and that sounded similar, but the customer is using a Frontier DSL modem and set it to bridge mode to fix it for them so my issue seems to be different.  I've only had the 8500 for a couple days and played with it a couple nights, seen the DNS disappear a handful of times.  I don't have anymore stats or observations yet.

 

I did not factory reset and re-enter all my settings after upgrading from the shipped V1.0.0.* firmware to V1.0.2.* firmware.  I guess I could try that if I still experience DNS failures and there are no other suggestions.

 

  • ElaineM's avatar
    ElaineM
    Jun 09, 2016

    Mikey94025 How's the connection after reset? I'm unable to replicate the problem you're having. The router is working perfectly with the connection.

    Perhaps, it's a faulty unit.

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  • ElaineM's avatar
    ElaineM
    NETGEAR Employee Retired

    Hello Mikey94025

     

    Welcome to the community!

     

    Just to clarify, when you access the GUI of the router you don't see the DNS settings?

    How about if you assign a static DNS on the router, will you be experiencing the same problem?

    For now, the only troubleshooting you may do is to reset and reconfigure.

    If the same thing happens, I suggest that you replace it.

    • Mikey94025's avatar
      Mikey94025
      Hero

      ElaineM wrote:

       

      Just to clarify, when you access the GUI of the router you don't see the DNS settings?

      How about if you assign a static DNS on the router, will you be experiencing the same problem?

       



      ElaineM wrote:

      Hello Mikey94025

       

      Welcome to the community!

       

      Just to clarify, when you access the GUI of the router you don't see the DNS settings?

      How about if you assign a static DNS on the router, will you be experiencing the same problem?

      For now, the only troubleshooting you may do is to reset and reconfigure.

      If the same thing happens, I suggest that you replace it.


      Thanks.  I do see the DNS settings in the GUI but my connected PCs do not get any successful DNS responses.  If I then change the DNS setting from Automatic to Static (or vice-versa, depending on what state it is) then it will reset things and DNS works again.  I've experienced this issue with both Automatic and Static DNS settings.

       

      I will keep watching for it and try a full reset if it happens again.



  • Mikey94025,

     

    I still have DNS errors a bunch of times every day and I still have the same Frontier to Nighthawk setup minus the bridged mode. I'll go out on a limb and say that none of your modem or router lights give any hint of connectivity changes durning these DNS hiccups, do they? My pair of paperweights flicker LED signals back and forth on the ethernet ports that connect them. Just like they do when I can actually get online. Nothing externally visual on either unit indicates trouble. 

     

    Like I said, DNS errors happen every day, several times a day. And roughly during the same few hour windows each day. I use the outages like a clock. They happen at 3am, 5am, 11am, 3pm, 9pm every day. The first thing I do is close Chrome and immediately reopen it. The first two bookmarks are the modem then the router. I open two tabs and log into each unit in its own tab. Starting with the modem, I scan for any thing amiss. There never is. Sometimes I reboot the modem sometimes I dont. As the R8500 is second in the chain, I click on its tab and 9 times outta 10 the "Internet Status" is red. I've released/renewed addresses, rebooted it from the "router information" panel under "advanced", clicked on the "internet status" and clicked the "test" button, etc.

     

    Doesnt matter all that much which DNS servers I have listed it seems. OpenDNS has the honors right now but I have used Google or the ISP defaults.

     

    I should clarify that putting my Frontier in bridge mode was only a for a few days because I was desparate. I could no longer access the modem's web interface obviously and the DNS errors popped up like they always did, so I reset the modem. The Frontier gets the phone lines coming in and only feeds the R8500 via one ethernet cable, Wireless is disabled on the modem too. I cant duck the outages by flipping from wireless to hardwired on any tech we have. 

     

    I ran pings to www.google.com with the /t switch enabled from anywhere I could. Timed out or got some crazy 2800ms pings. Updated R8500 thru 102 54 1056 firmware. Didn't matter. I pointed our tech around the router and modem to OpenDNS.and still have DNS errors just as often.

     

    I was looking real hard at the Frontier modem as the culprit because of the rough schedule that the errors kept. Except all our connected electronics got IP and DNS from the R8500. The modem only ever passed one preferred address to the router and used OpneDNS too. 

     

    Now I'm back to the R8500. Remember when I said, that from all outward appearances, the modem and router were blinking their LED's like everything's a go. Yet the R8500 is the only web interface where I saw the red "internet status" tile. In fact, the "advanced" tab had all green checked tiles every time. Short of the one red tile on the "basic" tab. And your "internet status" always reads GOOD. So what the hell?

     

    The outage seems more of a duration event than one where we jiggle some wires with intermittent shorts, since neither of us has any luck with our varying approaches. Almost like a thermal enent occured which reset when the temp threshold is met. I don't know. I tried taking our iphones off wifi to ease congestion. I can't say it helped. Except for the iphone themselves. Not havng them on the home network, they will work while all others suffer.

     

     

     

     

     

    • Mikey94025's avatar
      Mikey94025
      Hero

      Thank you for that very detailed reply!  I will do some careful inspection of my R8500 status if the problem happens again (so far not seen today).  I only checked the internet status on the Advanced tab but will also check the Basic tab the next time.

       

      • drummin1's avatar
        drummin1
        Guide

        Just FYI, but I had installed the Netgear Genie app on my work laptop which is wired direct to the Netgear. Sort of a minute by minute monitor of the path to internet. That was more depressing than the DNS errors themselves. Connectivity issues were popping up in my taskbar from the Genie more often than we were aware of. There may be smaller hiccups that occur more regularly than the ones you and I get frustrated by. They may go unoticed as we arent accessing the web 100% of the time to 100% of the throughput even if we sit at the computer all day. We stream Netflix, etc. and the buffer is large enough to maybe smooth out smaller burps but when we get the 25% loaded screen that hangs, we know the big belch has occured. I got so distracted by the steady taskbar popups from Genie that I just uninstalled it. TMI and right in my face while I'm supposed to be working. 

         

        I have an older work laptop. Perhaps I shall run the ping /t www.google.com from evening til morning. That'll give a second by second picture of it's performance. Pretty sad when I gotta have my router fill out a timecard, no?

        Frontier has tested both phone lines and they perform nearly identically.

         

        Glad your gonna eyeball the web interface when you can. It seems odd that one tile on the "basic" panel identifies a problem but the tiles on the "advanced" tab all have the green checkmarks and even show the OpenDNS server addresses, etc. 

         

         

        Good luck,

         

        -Mike