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Dewdman42
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Aug 26, 2025
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Can I shelf a JBOD volume for later?

I have it in my mind to use drive bay #4 as a JBOD brtfs backup drive.  Primary RAID1 will be in drive bays 1,2.  I may have also an additional JBOD drive3 with intentionally non-raided data.

 

The desire is to backup both the RAID1 volume and JBOD volume to drive#4 JBOD btrfs.  I have thought about getting an external USB drive as a backup drive, however my understanding is that external drives can't be formatted as btrfs, they would need to be EXT4 most likely...and one thing I am hoping to do is to do timemachine style snapshots on the backup data.

 

So first question, I'm I crazy with this notion or fine so far?

 

But the quesetion comes up, what happens if the first two volumes die or need to be rebuilt and let's say its the first /data volume on RAID1 that has to be rebuilt (or maybe I just want to expand it), so I guess I would have to at that point pull all the drives out (including the backup drive) and do a factory reset with two drives in RAID1 and setup readynasOS to my satisfaction, then introduce the backup JBOD Volume back in, but can I do that?  Is there a way to insert that shelved JBOD backup drive, while I do a factory reset and then insert it and have the readynas see it, is flex raid smart enough to do that?  Or would have to have the backup on some totally external media in order to avoid flexraid requiring that JBOD volume to be wiped?

 

Is there a way to use brtfs on external USB drives?  Not for purposes of raid. but for snapshotting?

 

 

  • Sorry for the late reply, I've been having login issues.

     

    The warning saying it's going to destroy the volume when you intend to export, not destroy, is a programming error -- it points to the wrong warning or is a bad cut-and-paste by the programmer, as it's identical to the one when you are actually destroying a volume.  But it does do an export.  I reported the error long ago and was ignored.

     

    If you forget to EXPORT the JBOD volume, you can boot with just that drive.  It will show the main volume as "missing" and apps and such won't work, but your JBOD data will be accessible.  That works because the OS partition is duplicated on every drive.  But that does mean that any changes you make to the NAS after removal (like a password change), won't be there.  At that point, you should back up all the files.  Alternately, you can then EXPORT it (though any other time, exporting the only volume is a really bad idea).  Once you do the export, it won't boot by itself again, but it will import to another volume.  Thus, backing up the files before doing the export is the best practice, just in case something goes wrong with the export or import.  If something were to happen to your main volume that prevents importation, you could simply create a new one with a single drive and do the import to it (which is also how you recover from an inadvertent export of the main volume)

     

    I have not figured out what marks a volume as exported so you can undo it by a method other than import to another ReadyNAS or mark it is exported outside ReadyNASOS.

     

    One thing to keep in mind with export/import is that there can be no volume or share names the same on the imported volume as on the main one importing it.  (Well, there can be shares, but they'll end up invisible at anything other than SSH level.)  File and folder names below share level are not subject to this limitation.

     

    The EXPORT function is not covered in any Netgear documentation I've found.  You can read about my experiments with it at Experiments-with-exporting-and-importing-a-volume-in-OS6-7-1.  As best as I have been able to tell, there have been no changes made since then (since the warning error wasn't even corrected).

     

    Now, all that said, a NAS is not really intended to be used that way and an external USB drive is a better solution.  That's especially true now with the RedayNAS being EOL -- use a format on the USB drive that can be read by your computer in case the NAS dies.

     

     

     

     

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  • One question though, when I click the export option on a volume, a dialog box opens that says:

     

    destroying this volume permanently removes all data on this volume

    to proceed type "EXPORT"

     

    Is that a typo or why is it warning me about destroying all data on the volume?

     

    My understanding from you said earlier is that exporting it would REMOVE the volume from the flex-raid configuration..and from the sounds of it, would also prep the drive itself with some stuff so that when I try to import it into another readynas or back into this readynas later...it will recognize it as a volume without a home and take it in.....I thought keeping all the data on the drive itself intact.

     

     

  • alright so I guess if I were to use an external USB with brtfs on it, I could get all the snapshot  advantages and one thing is I would never have to worry about flexraid doing anything unexpected to it when I plug it in.  and removing it would also never place the flexraid configuration into a state where its complaining about a missing JBOD volume, etc.. something like that.  Do I have that right?

     

    I mean I also like the idea of it being in the bay instead of dangling off the side, but on the other hand...it seems that Flex-raid to a certain extent and X-Raid definitely might take some automatic actions if I were to hot swap it into the bay, which would not be good.

    • StephenB's avatar
      StephenB
      Guru - Experienced User
      Dewdman42 wrote:

      alright so I guess if I were to use an external USB with brtfs on it, I could get all the snapshot  advantages 

      yes.

       

      Dewdman42 wrote:

      it seems that Flex-raid to a certain extent and X-Raid definitely might take some automatic actions if I were to hot swap it into the bay, which would not be good.

       

       

      Neither should do anything automatically, esp. if the jbod volume has a unique name.  You'd need to click on format before it was added to the volume.

       

      You would need to be careful to export the jbod volume before removal.  

      • Dewdman42's avatar
        Dewdman42
        Virtuoso

        I don't know if you saw my other question, it ended up not directly replied to you, and this forum is a little weird about hiding different sub-threads, but anyway when I attempted to try to export the JBOD volume, I get a dialog box saying it will destroy all data on the volume...which of course I did not do, and wanted to get some clarity about that.

  • StephenB's avatar
    StephenB
    Guru - Experienced User
    Dewdman42 wrote:

    Is there a way to insert that shelved JBOD backup drive

    You export it from the volume setting wheel and then remove it.   Then when you power up with the drive in place later on, it should automatically be imported.  (Not sure what happens if that is the only drive...) But I think an external drive is a better approach.

     

    Dewdman42 wrote:

    my understanding is that external drives can't be formatted as btrfs,

    That was true when OS-6 was first launched, but you can use btrfs now.

    • https://kb.netgear.com/7009/ReadyNAS-OS-6-USB-Port-use

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