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JBDragon1
Sep 17, 2016Virtuoso
How to Upgrade the CPU and RAM in a ReadyNAS 516
Well I have done it. It seems to be working great. I've ran a few basic tests and you really don't get a idea of the differance without accessing it. you can notice the speed Improvment. Accessin...
LeonCCnGeOcKbel
Mar 01, 2017Aspirant
Hello, I have a few questions if any of you get a chance to read this i would like your input on.
i currently have 2x RN 516 units with Firmware 6.6.1
the 1 i use as a full Backup system for my 3 macs and 5 ipads as well as my photography hobby and my iTunes Library and part of my Plex library. with all 6x trays filled by wd red 4 tb drives, and i got that nas new off amazon in feb 2015. the 2x 516 is one i got of ebay used and it was upgraded with the same ram as you have in this post, and it is sitting empty untill i get the 6x new Ironwolf 10tb nas drives :D .
1. i am thinking of taking the 1 that is with out warranty with the upgraded ram and adding the cpu you have in the post, but the ones i see keep comming up used even the one on newegg are.
2. are you running any kind of raid my current main is running raid 10 with the 6x 4tb drives i get 10.90tb of total space.
3. i am thinking of using a different raid that would give me even more space with the 6x 10tb drives any recommendations on this? or should i just stick with the raid 10 since that system will be my new dedicated Plex server.
After i move all my currenly ripped MKV format dvds = 305 and 20 blurays till i get the new system set up and can add the rest of the over 200+ blurays that need ripped as well as the 900+ dvds using MakeMKV with all english audio options and english subtitles as well a rip all 818 cds in flac format using LXD, and FileBot for the labeling of the movies and MusicBrainz Picard for cd labeling my small Library.
any imput is welcome from any and all that have exp in this subject and Thank you in advance :D
JBDragon1
Mar 02, 2017Virtuoso
The CPU I put in mt 516 was used! You're not going to have a lot of luck getting a new one for a reasonable price. It's a older CPU. There's nothing wrong with using a older CPU. They don't normally go BAD. I've never had a CPU just go bad in all my years of using a computer. They just get outdated and slow and so you upgrade your PC with a new CPU, but that old CPU is still good, can get pulled and used for whatever else. I got mine from eBay, It was wrapped good for shipping, but not in the original CPU type box. The RAM I got new and that's not a big deal.
I'm using XRAID 5 right now with the 3TB WD RED drives. I think a couple are in the 4+ year old range. I'd have to look as I have mine labeled on date installed, so I can easily keep track. Some 10TB drives would be nice, but wow, I don't have that kind of money. I'm going to assume without looking at around a $2,000 price tag. Oh hell, just looked on Amazon, about $458 each times 6 is $2,748 plus tax, ouch!!! That's great and all, but backup would be crazy and is something happens, a huge amount of data could be lost. If you have 2 516, Should use 1 of them as a backup to the main one. I'd still use XRAID or RAID 5. Do you need the Pro version with only 6 drives? Let alone 7200 RPM when you're just streaming PLEX and only on a 1 Gigabit Network? Maybe if you had one of their NAS units with 10Gigabit support, going to your 10 Gigabit Networked PC(s), that might matter more.
Why use RAID 10, For the Mirroring? Speed wise? I already can MAX out my Gigabit Network using drives running around 5400 to 5900 RPM and using RAID 5. Instead of 10.9TB of space, you could be at 18.1TB without having to do anything. You can even go RAID 6 for that off chance you have 2 HDD fail at the same time at gain space to 14.5TB. I think that's overkill with a 6 bay NAS. I do, do a full NAS Backup of my Data anyway using a couple 8TB Seagate Backup drives. Bare drives I can write to, pop into a plastic case and toss into my Fire Safe. That's my Backup. It's not Update to date, but I wouldn't lose to much that I couldn't replace anyway. My Pictures for example are in the cloud at a few places, from using Carbonate along with backing up documents and whatnot, and Amazon Pictures which is Unlimited as part of being a Prime Member. Stuff I really don't have to think about as it's all automatic. it's the large files on my NAS, which for PLEX, I have 718 movies currently, and 102 TV shows with 4126 episodes. So the TV stuff takes up more space then my Movies, which most are in HD these days. I still don't have all my Blu-Ray's on my NAS yet. But the important things like every single James Bond Movies, Star Trek and Star Wars movies are on my NAS. With PLEX can be watch on any TV in my house or away from home anywhere in the world with a Internet connection. My own personal Netflix type service. But it's almost all content I like and it doesn't come and go like on Netflix.
I also need more space. I'd like to at least fill up on 6TB WD RED drives No need for Pro versions. Slower speeds means cooler running drives. less power, and longer lasting. It's more then fast enough on a 1Gigabit wired Network. RAID 10 seems like a huge waste of space for very little payout. If you're not backing up to anything, then maybe it's the way to go. it's basically a Backup. Raid 10 is really for I/O-intensive applications such as database, email, and web servers, as well as for any other use requiring high disk performance. You don't need high disc performance streaming movies on PLEX. Your Network speed is limited to 1 Gigabit. That's fast for home networking and faster then WIFI, but not as fast as the hard drives.
How much space do you need, and how much space are you willing to throw away in the name of security? If you're really worried, go RAID 6, otherwise RAID 5. I do Recommend not buying your HDD all at once or from the space place. At least not all at once. You could end up with a batch of bad drives and they all fail around the same time. It's been known to happen. I stared to 2 drives in raid 1, when it was about 1 TB of space left got a 3rd drive until it got to almost 1TB, then got a 4th, and that maxed out my old NAS. I backup, Pulled out those old drives and they're now the first 4 drives in my 515. Those are the 4 3TB WD Red drives running around 5400RPM. When I got the 516, I ended up getting 2 Seagate 3TB NAS drives which run at around 5900 RPM. So I have a large age gap of a number of years. With you going from 4TB drives to 10TB drives, that is more then doubling storage space. Maybe you start with 3 10TB HDD in a RAID 5 format. Would that be more storage space then you currently have with the 6 drives? Maybe when you get down to 2TB, you order up another 10TB HDD and pop it in. It'll get added into your storage about about another 10TB of space. Now you still have another 2 bays free, when you get down to another 2TB left, go order up another 10TB HDD. See you're buying HDD's in different batches. Less wear and tear. Why have 50TB of storage and only using 20TB currently? Now you have wear and tear on HDD's and eating power and not doing anything for you, just going to waste. That's what I would do.
I use MakeMKV also. I PAID for it and it's well worth it. It will rip DVD's, HD DVD's and Blu-Ray's into .mkv files. It's pretty simple to use and fast. I then use Handbrake which is free. You can take a 18Gig movie and shrink it down to 12 Gig's or something. DVD's are even better as you're using a more modern compression format. The picture and sound is still great. It does take a long time. So I would rip a number of movies, and then have Handbrake process them all while I'm away, over night and while I'm at work. Get home after work and they'll generally be done. Depends on how many. Figuring out how you want to set it up can be tricky.
I wired my house with CAT6 cable with Keystones in each room all ending up at my 24 port managed Switch in my small closet where I have my NAS, Cable modem, WiFi router and other devices. If I had a 10Gigabit NAS, I'd get a Switch to add for that faster network and wire up 10Gigabit to my Windows 10 PC in my Computer Room. That would be nice and worth crawling under my house once again to do.
- StephenBMar 02, 2017Guru - Experienced User
JBDragon1 wrote:
Why use RAID 10, For the Mirroring? Speed wise? I already can MAX out my Gigabit Network using drives running around 5400 to 5900 RPM and using RAID 5. Instead of 10.9TB of space, you could be at 18.1TB without having to do anything. You can even go RAID 6 for that off chance you have 2 HDD fail at the same time at gain space to 14.5TB. I think that's overkill with a 6 bay NAS.
I've added memory to my pro-6, but haven't done serious hardware mods. So I have no input on that. I do have a few comments here on the raid choice.
First I agree that for media libraries RAID-6 should perform well. RAID-6 write performance likely will be slower than your gigabit network, but write speed matters less than read speed. It would be different if you had a lot of random access going on - RAID 10 is definitely faster for that, even on a gigabit network. But plex streaming is doing sequential reads on large files, and the bottleneck likely will be your network (or so close to it that it doesn't matter). Even 4K streaming requires a max of around 100 mbits per second, which is only about 12 megabytes/sec. And 100 mbits is rare for 4K (much higher than what netflix is using). So the NAS will easily keep up with the streaming, no matter what RAID mode is chosen.
On the "overkill" comment. I run RAID-5 on my NAS. But I also have full backups (as do you). Also my volumes are quite a bit smaller (15-18 TB volume space, but only about 50% full). Restoring my NAS from scratch over a gigabit connection from backup takes me perhaps 5 days calendar time. If we scale that up to the capacities the OP is wanting, it could easily take 3-4 weeks with RAID-5. That's a lot of down time. It'd be longer with RAID-6 (slower write times), and much longer if it was restored from cloud backup. That's one reason I suggested more protection.
Another factor is RAID sync. The volume is unprotected during RAID-5 sync, and the disks are stressed. A second disk failure during the sync will cost you the volume. With 4 TB disks, you generally are looking at 24 hour RAID-5 sync times (more or less). When you reach 10 TB, you'd be looking at around 3 days. RAID-6 is much slower, due to the double parity blocks. It's at least twice as long as the RAID-5 times - but if you are replacing a single disk you are still protected.
The last factor is backup. You (like me) have a full backup plan in place. The OP didn't talk about backup at all, and the most practical way to back up a 30-50TB volume is to back it up to another NAS. His expansion plans didn't mention that. Even with RAID-6 the OP will eventually lose the media library without a backup. But RAID-6 does improve the odds.
I suggested RAID50 because it's in between RAID 5 and RAID6. Resync times for a single disk replacement should be similar to RAID-5, and I think those times are relevant here. Protection is better than RAID-5, and if it will take 3-4 weeks to rebuild the NAS, that matters too.
FWIW, 10 gbit is worth considering if the OP does set up a backup NAS. That would require 52x or 62x NAS. I see ~300 MB/sec rsync backup times with the 52x on 10 gbit. I suspect the 62x would do better. This is with RAID-5 volumes (as I mentioned above, that is what I am using). Restore times would be 3x faster at least (once you get past the volume being built).
- JBDragon1Mar 04, 2017Virtuoso
That's a lot to think about. Differnt options and what would work best for someone. It does get more complecated when the amount of storage space really gets crazy high. Generally at this point, having another NAS withthe same kind of storage space to use as a backup may be the way to go, no matter which RAID ends up being used. With so much Data to lose and the days it takes to backup and restore, Going with a couple newer NAS units supporting 10 Gigabit would be a smarter, but costly move. Then again if you can afford almost 3 grand in 10 gig HDD's, then a couple grand for a new NAS, and doubling that, can't be much more of a big deal. kind of pointless to worry about upgrading a older 516.
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