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ReadyNAS Duo v2 Windows 10 2019 Fall Update SEcurity and Shares
If you despair about Netgear support and security you are not alone: - 1. With Windows 10 Fall update 2019 SMB 1.0 is automatically removed from your PC as unsafe. 2. If you read the Microsoft thre...
schumaku wrote:The "big" vulnerability was fixed on both Windows and SAMBA source code - and deployed https://kb.netgear.com/000038792/RAIDiator-Version-4-1-16-Sparc
Woodfield - I'm not sure if you have a v1 or a v2 (your title says one thing, your model number field says something else).
schumaku's link (4.1.16) is for the fix on the v1. It was also fixed on the v2 at the same time (5.3.13) - that link is here: https://kb.netgear.com/000038794/RAIDiator-arm-Version-5-3-13-for-ReadyNAS-Duo-v2-NV-v2
If you aren't running the final firmware for your NAS, then you should update it.
Thank you StephenB and schumaku for your replies. Much appreciated.
However, when you write "This started to happen years ago already, not much change on the Win 10 Fall Update" I am afraid that does not accord with my experience.
Prior to the update Radiator worked and I could browse the V1 (my version error but prompted by the infexibility in the way Netgear gives options). After the update Radiator would not locate and allow me to browse. Adding back the support for the protocol solved the issue but took me ages to find.
My real grouse is with a vendor attitude that says what you have got is old; and therefore we could not care less. Go and buy a new one. That is both wasteful and arrogant. My drive works fine and, yes, I also back up everything to OneDrive.
Woodfield wrote:
However, when you write "This started to happen years ago already, not much change on the Win 10 Fall Update" I am afraid that does not accord with my experience.
Microsoft announced they were deprecating SMB1 in 2014. They got much more serious about it in May 2017, when WannaCry exploited some vulnerabilities. FWIW, Netgear did fix those security issues in 5.3.13.
In the fall 2017 release of Windows 10 (1709), Microsoft stopped installing SMB1 by default in new installs of Windows 10. They also put in automatic removal of SMB1 if it wasn't used for 15 days. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034314/smbv1-is-not-installed-by-default-in-windows At that point, we began seeing the SMB1 connectivity issues in this forum that you just ran into.
The Duo v2 was discontinued by Netgear in 2013 - before Microsoft announced the deprecation plans, and well before they implemented it in Windows 10.
I agree it would have been nice to have SMB 3 support in the older NAS. But SMB 3 would have reduced the performance of the older NAS, and it would have been quite a bit of work to add it. FWIW, I think that Netgear was struggling to fully support the three quite different platforms (4.1.x sparc, 4.2.x intel, 5.3.x arm) they had in the field before they launched OS-6, and (in my opinion) one reason they consolidated down to one going-forward platform (OS 6) was to solve that problem.
In any event, all vendors (including Microsoft) do drop older platforms regularly. Though it is annoying if you have an older product that is still working well for you.
StephenB wrote:But SMB 3 would have reduced the performance of the older NAS,
Disagree. SMB 3 does not imply there must be protocol signing or encryption. SMB 3 runs with much less overhead, supporting Jumbo Frames, boosting performance. Further on, already SMB 2.1 is performing much better over VPN connections with limited MTU than SMB 1.0 for various reasons. The ReadyNAS competitors made it happen around the same time - Netgear on the other hand wanted to get rid of the pre-OS6 systems ASAP.
schumaku wrote:
StephenB wrote:
But SMB 3 would have reduced the performance of the older NAS,
Disagree. SMB 3 does not imply there must be protocol signing or encryption.
I agree that w/o signing/encryption that performance would have been ok. Leaving those features out might have been acceptable to some home NAS owners, but I think it wouldn't have been enough for many enterprises. Perhaps not a big deal with the Duo v2, but it would have been for the 4.2.x users.
But Netgear didn't go there on any of the legacy NAS, so this is academic.
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