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powellandy1
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May 17, 2020
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Available space 8 bay with 3 drive sizes

Hi

 

I've been playing round with the Readynas Configurator.

I was looking at putting the following in - but there is some unsused space.

I can't see why - unless it's a x-raid limitation.

Shouldn't it create md127 over the first 6tb of all drives, then md126 over the next 2tb of the first 6 drives and then finally md125 with the final 2tb of the first two - enabling all space to be used??

I've certinaly had expanded arrays with md125/6/7 on them.

I know in effect the 10tb form the parity of the RAID6 array. Shouldn't it be showing about 2TB more??

(ie 2x10 parity - so space would be 8x4 + 6x2 = 44 then adjusted down to real space about 41-42TB)

What am I missing??

 

Thanks

A


  • Sandshark wrote:

    RAID6 needs at l;east three drives, 


    Actually in the ReadyNAS it requires at least 4 drives.   Triple RAID-1 would be a simpler option for dual redundancy with three drives - but the NAS wouldn't do that either.

     

    Note that if you use the usual equations for P and Q here: https://igoro.com/archive/how-raid-6-dual-parity-calculation-works/ then RAID-6 with three drives has the same on-disk layout as triple RAID-1 (P and Q would both be equal to the original data block).   So there's no reason to waste time with parity math or rotating data and parity blocks - you might as well just do triple mirroring.

     

    powellandy1  wrote:

    So why is all space not being used here (3x10tb, 4x8tb, 1x6tb)??

    Each layer has at least 3 drives.


    Because the NAS won't do RAID-6 with three drives.

     

    Also, you'd need to install the drives in order of size.  Assuming that was done, XRAID would have 8x6TB and 5x2TB RAID groups. Then there would be 2 TB on each of the 10 TB drives that couldn't be used.

     

    However, the breakdown in the RAID calculator incorrectly states the volume size.

    8x6TB -> 36 TB of capacity + 12 TB of redundancy

    5x2TB -> 6TB of capacity and 4 TB of redundancy

    3x2TB -> 6 TB of unused disk space.

     

    Total capacity is 42 TB (~38.2 TiB) - not 41.7 TiB as stated in the calculator.

    Total redundancy is 16 TB  (~14.6 TiB)

    Total unused is 6 TB (~5.46 TiB)

     

     

     

     

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  • RAID6 needs at l;east three drives, so the last 2Tb of the 10TB can't be used to create one.  XRAID assumes you want at least as much redundancy on all layers.  So while a RAID1 from  only two drives creates similar redundancy (one drive) in a RAID5 configuration, it does not in RAID6.

    • powellandy1's avatar
      powellandy1
      Virtuoso

      Thanks

      So why is all space not being used here (3x10tb, 4x8tb, 1x6tb)??

      Each layer has at least 3 drives.

      • Sandshark's avatar
        Sandshark
        Sensei

         

        StephenB got in before me and corrected what I said, and that explains this new configuraiton size.

         

        That is a very inefficient configuration, but I can understand why you might want to use it based on existing drive inventory.

    • StephenB's avatar
      StephenB
      Guru - Experienced User

      Sandshark wrote:

      RAID6 needs at l;east three drives, 


      Actually in the ReadyNAS it requires at least 4 drives.   Triple RAID-1 would be a simpler option for dual redundancy with three drives - but the NAS wouldn't do that either.

       

      Note that if you use the usual equations for P and Q here: https://igoro.com/archive/how-raid-6-dual-parity-calculation-works/ then RAID-6 with three drives has the same on-disk layout as triple RAID-1 (P and Q would both be equal to the original data block).   So there's no reason to waste time with parity math or rotating data and parity blocks - you might as well just do triple mirroring.

       

      powellandy1  wrote:

      So why is all space not being used here (3x10tb, 4x8tb, 1x6tb)??

      Each layer has at least 3 drives.


      Because the NAS won't do RAID-6 with three drives.

       

      Also, you'd need to install the drives in order of size.  Assuming that was done, XRAID would have 8x6TB and 5x2TB RAID groups. Then there would be 2 TB on each of the 10 TB drives that couldn't be used.

       

      However, the breakdown in the RAID calculator incorrectly states the volume size.

      8x6TB -> 36 TB of capacity + 12 TB of redundancy

      5x2TB -> 6TB of capacity and 4 TB of redundancy

      3x2TB -> 6 TB of unused disk space.

       

      Total capacity is 42 TB (~38.2 TiB) - not 41.7 TiB as stated in the calculator.

      Total redundancy is 16 TB  (~14.6 TiB)

      Total unused is 6 TB (~5.46 TiB)

       

       

       

       

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