ownership and sharing for pre-existing files and folders

byronkw wrote:
...my worry is that this is a very coarse tool that will remove all ownership of files?...

It does reset all files and folders to have "nobody" as the owner.

Does it matter which account owns the file? You want everyone to have the same access rights, so I am thinking it probably doesn't.

Does it matter which account owns the file?

my apologies for being unclear - i'm concerned with avoiding future conflicts whenever more photos are moved into the share by someone (so the administrator doesn't have to keep resetting ownership)

i can't find anything that explains the various ownerships and permission variables anywhere in these forums - please point me to any you know of.

are these essentially Linux terms and i should be researching Linux permissions?

Install SSH and learn a few linux commands if needed - chmod, chown, etc. It will do what you want and save you hours/years.

File owners/permissions are not just linux concepts.

One option you have is to set things up so that everyone saving files to the NAS is using the same NAS log on. If you are using windows you can set this in the Credential Manager in the control panel. That will eliminate any need for on-going administrator intervention.

ihartley wrote:
Install SSH and learn a few linux commands if needed - chmod, chown, etc. It will do what you want and save you hours/years.

Getting comfortable with basic linux commands can make things easier. chmod and chown are pretty safe - what they do is reversible, so there's no risk that you would hurt anything. Though using them just gives you another way to fix the problem, they won't prevent it from happening again.

ihartley wrote:
Install SSH and learn a few linux commands if needed - chmod, chown, etc. It will do what you want and save you hours/years.

again i seem to have communicated less than precisely. my understanding is extremely limited (i have no formal computer training or programming experience) when i asked about researching Linux, it was in reference to understanding the permissions parameters offered in Raidiator (the {?} boxes merely restate the titles - and there is zero documentation that i can find). a quick search on SSH intimidated the bejesus out of me...

StephenB wrote:
One option you have is to set things up so that everyone saving files to the NAS is using the same NAS log on... you can set this in the Credential Manager in the control panel.

if i make everyone a single user won't i lose all of the dedicated user shares and the ability to keep private data? or is there something in credentials manager that would allow selected users to share credentials only for selected shares?

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what i seek is that ability to fully share read/write authority of data in the Media share with a specific group - but still be able to use personal and public shares for other data and groups. is that not possible with this technology?

If you are using private shares, then you do need different accounts for everyone.

You should be able to simply set the permissions once (as you already have done). There do appear to be some oddities with the built-in media share. Maybe try a test with a new built-from-scratch folder??

thanks for the reply and clarification

StephenB wrote:
You should be able to simply set the permissions once (as you already have done). There do appear to be some oddities with the built-in media share. Maybe try a test with a new built-from-scratch folder??

my tests so far show that files are locked to any user who didn't copy them to the picture folder - regardless of whether i enable "automatic permissions" (i have no idea what that or ACL changes actually meansthough!)

my current settings for Media share are:

Auto Permissions [unchecked]

Folder Creation Group Rights: Read/Write
Folder Creation EveryOne Rights: Read/Write
File Creation Group Rights: Read/Write
File Creation Everyone Rights: Read/Write

tonight i'll try making a new share from scratch and see if that somehow effects the results.

at the risk of beating a dead horse - any written guides or documentation anywhere???????????

This any use?

http://readynas.sphardy.com/2010/10/ove ... .html#more

There is an "inconsistency" with permission, such that the actual linux file permissions may be different (and I have observed conflicting) to the share permissions. Just remember to mount the nas with nas credentials (e.g. on windows nasname\username) - otherwise it might confuse PC credentials and nas credentials.

First - a big thank you to all of you who are helping this idiot figure this out... i really appreciate your patient and understanding.

last night i tried creating a new "Media" share from scratch, and 'voila', files copied from users PC's are editable by other group members (thz StephenB) ... but i still have other issues such as getting my Windows Media Centre (and D-Link extender) to access that share.

InTheShires wrote:
This any use?

Thank you - i had read other entries in his blog, but missed this. i'll go over it tonight and see if i can wrap my head around this.

ihartley wrote:
There is an "inconsistency" with permission, such that the actual linux file permissions may be different (and I have observed conflicting) to the share permissions. Just remember to mount the nas with nas credentials (e.g. on windows nasname\username) - otherwise it might confuse PC credentials and nas credentials.

what does "actual linux file permissions" refer to? are these the permissions Linux assigns to my files - or is this the files and folders that Linux creates to show me share and folders on the NAS.
this 'mount' idea also confuses me. i understand that to be how Windows creates the 'illusion' of shares and folders from the collection of discs that are the 'volume'. (but maybe that's wrong?)

are you saying DO NOT use Raidar and it's Setup button to access the ReadyNAS while i configure shares?

when i try to use Windows Explorer address line (\\nasname\admin) the admin share shows up in the structure (that's new) but i don't get offered a window to sign in. if i double-click on the admin share i eventually got a window asking me to 'Select Certificate' - but neither of the 2 offered are related to the ReadyNAS. eventually a user/password box pops up, but entering admin and passwords seems to bring back the same 'Select Certificate' prompt.

using the same address bar (\\nasname\user) to access my own share takes me to it, or (\\nasname\other) any "other" i have rights to.

if i use the Windows Explorer "Network" section and double-click on the ReadyNas NV+ listed under "Storage" devices, i see the same (web browser) Dashboard frontpage as using Radiator Setup takes to me to (but without a prompt for a password - very scary! - although other users don't seem to have access).

is there a difference between using either mode of accessing the Dashboard?

either way, i don't see an "admin" user or group, or the admin share when i log into the Dashboard. nor does the Dashboard configuration show the any of the private user shares - although they have been created and are accessible to others users...

clearly, i'm struggling, but i'll do more reading tonight, and with all of your help i'm hoping i'll get this device to work for me...