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chickenlegs99
Nov 01, 2019Guide
Satellite disconnecting
Hello Orbi experts
I have an almost new Orbi RBR50 and satellite set up at home.
Problem: My Orbi satellite drops connection to the Orbi router intermittently. This has only recently started (there hasn't been any new wifi connected items since installing Orbi).
Observations: Without apparent cause, the satellite leds start to flash white quite fast, then flash white slower, then solid purple and then off as the satellite reconnects back to the router. This causes my iOS devices to lose internet connection until the satellite has reconnected, which can take around 5 mins. This occurs at random times of the day and night with little or no external influence on the satellite (i.e. multiple movie streaming etc).
Something that might be an associated isssue is that, for example, if I attempt to stream a movie on my iPad Pro, (which is located approx. 8m from the router and 8m from the satellite), the iPad tells me that I have a wifi signal, (mostly with two wifi bars but somethimes with three), but the Orbi app tells me that there is no internet and ends up either crashing or spinning until I close the app). The wifi signal strength evident on the iPad varies significantly and is often thr cause for the internet connection to be droped entirely, the connection is then lost. Even if the iPad Pro is positioned next to the satellite, it rarely shows more than two bars of wifi strength.
It might be coincidental but I have noticed that if I switch off the satellite, I get a more stable connection, even though the wifi signal strength is diminished further.
Solutions tried: I have tried moving the satellite closer to the router. When it was working and stable, it was located about 10m (direct distance) from the router. I have tried moving it to a location 8m direct distance from the router, but this has not helped. Last night at around 2:30am with the satelite located near to my iPad, the satellite disconnected and then reconnected - no one was using the internet at that time.
I have also tried rebooting the router and after reading a few threads switched 'Daisy-Chain Topology' off. This hasn't made any difference.
I have tried setting the 2.4GHz chanel to 1 (aas per other threads) but this has made no difference.
Set up and other things: The router is connected to my TP-Link ADSL modem/ router (TD-8980) via ethernet. The ADSL modem is connected to the main incoming telephone mastersocket and has wifi mode switched off. The Orbi router has the most current firmware V2.5.0.38 installed. I think the router is set up in Router mode. The ORBI portal is showing the Internet as Good and the satellite 'backhaul status' as good (at the moment). The router maintains connection to the internet and has not yet started to randomly disconnect. I do not have more than two other neighbourhood wifi networks in my vicinity (I notice a BT Hub and TalkTalk network mostly, but these have never caused any issues before Orbi arrived). I have a total of 10 devices connected, three are ethernet wired into the router, the others are via wifi. These seem to be working ok.
I have the 2.4GHz chanel set to 'Auto', and the 5Ghz is set to 'Ch36'. I am using WPA2-PSK [AES] security settings. IPv6 is disabled.
I live in a fairly modern, medium sized four bed house that has internal walls made of drylining and timber stud.
Help and solutions?: What can I do to get a more stable wifi mesh network as at the moment, as I don't think the Orbi system has improved wifi across the house.
Many thanks
Chris
VAJim, I don't think it is the firmware in this case. I installed v2.3.5.30, replacing the newer version that you site as problematic and the issue of the satellite disconnecting, reconnecting or just being static in a sort of limbo happened with v2.3.5.30 which I understand from others is more stable.
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For starters I would do a search here on V2.5.0.38
Lots of complaints
How did you get the firmware version?
- Thank you for responding. I updated the firmware through the Orbi app I think.
Modem Combo Units:
This would be a double NAT condition which isn't recommended. https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT
https://kb.netgear.com/30187/How-to-fix-issues-with-Double-NAT
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge or modem only mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode. You'll need to contact the ISP for help and information in regards to the modem being bridged correctly.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ/ExposedHost or IP Pass-Through for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, configure AP mode on the Orbi router. https://kb.netgear.com/31218/How-do-I-configure-my-Orbi-router-to-act-as-an-access-point and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LOcJ8GdDo&app=desktop
https://kb.netgear.com/26765/Disabled-Features-on-the-Router-when-set-to-AP-ModeWhat is the size of your home? Sq Ft?
What is the distance between the router and satellite(s)? 30 feet is recommended in between RBR and RBS to begin with depending upon building materials when wirelessly connected. https://kb.netgear.com/000036466/How-far-should-I-place-my-Orbi-satellite-from-my-Orbi-routerWhat channels are you using? Auto? Try setting manual channel 1, 6 or 11 on 2.4Ghz and any unused channel on 5Ghz.
Any Wifi Neighbors near by? If so, how many?Try enabling Beamforming and MIMO(MIMO may or maynot be needed) and WMM. Under Advanced Tab/Advanced Settings/Wireless Settings
Try disabling the following and see:
Armor, Circle, Daisy Chain, Fast Roaming, IPv6 and Set 20/40Mhz Coexistence to 40Mhz only. Save settings and reboot the router and satellite(s).Has a factory reset and setup from scratch been performed since last FW update? I and others are having good operation on v38:https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi/ORBI-RBK50-RBS50-Tips-Tricks-Hidden-Secrets-etc/m-p/1818889/highlight/true#M74523
Solid operation...
Only one known confirmed issue with device naming which NG is aware of.
chickenlegs99 wrote:Hello Orbi experts
I have an almost new Orbi RBR50 and satellite set up at home.
Problem: My Orbi satellite drops connection to the Orbi router intermittently. This has only recently started (there hasn't been any new wifi connected items since installing Orbi).
Observations: Without apparent cause, the satellite leds start to flash white quite fast, then flash white slower, then solid purple and then off as the satellite reconnects back to the router. This causes my iOS devices to lose internet connection until the satellite has reconnected, which can take around 5 mins. This occurs at random times of the day and night with little or no external influence on the satellite (i.e. multiple movie streaming etc).
Something that might be an associated isssue is that, for example, if I attempt to stream a movie on my iPad Pro, (which is located approx. 8m from the router and 8m from the satellite), the iPad tells me that I have a wifi signal, (mostly with two wifi bars but somethimes with three), but the Orbi app tells me that there is no internet and ends up either crashing or spinning until I close the app). The wifi signal strength evident on the iPad varies significantly and is often thr cause for the internet connection to be droped entirely, the connection is then lost. Even if the iPad Pro is positioned next to the satellite, it rarely shows more than two bars of wifi strength.
It might be coincidental but I have noticed that if I switch off the satellite, I get a more stable connection, even though the wifi signal strength is diminished further.
Solutions tried: I have tried moving the satellite closer to the router. When it was working and stable, it was located about 10m (direct distance) from the router. I have tried moving it to a location 8m direct distance from the router, but this has not helped. Last night at around 2:30am with the satelite located near to my iPad, the satellite disconnected and then reconnected - no one was using the internet at that time.
I have also tried rebooting the router and after reading a few threads switched 'Daisy-Chain Topology' off. This hasn't made any difference.
I have tried setting the 2.4GHz chanel to 1 (aas per other threads) but this has made no difference.
Set up and other things: The router is connected to my TP-Link ADSL modem/ router (TD-8980) via ethernet. The ADSL modem is connected to the main incoming telephone mastersocket and has wifi mode switched off. The Orbi router has the most current firmware V2.5.0.38 installed. I think the router is set up in Router mode. The ORBI portal is showing the Internet as Good and the satellite 'backhaul status' as good (at the moment). The router maintains connection to the internet and has not yet started to randomly disconnect. I do not have more than two other neighbourhood wifi networks in my vicinity (I notice a BT Hub and TalkTalk network mostly, but these have never caused any issues before Orbi arrived). I have a total of 10 devices connected, three are ethernet wired into the router, the others are via wifi. These seem to be working ok.
I have the 2.4GHz chanel set to 'Auto', and the 5Ghz is set to 'Ch36'. I am using WPA2-PSK [AES] security settings. IPv6 is disabled.
I live in a fairly modern, medium sized four bed house that has internal walls made of drylining and timber stud.
Help and solutions?: What can I do to get a more stable wifi mesh network as at the moment, as I don't think the Orbi system has improved wifi across the house.
Many thanks
Chris
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- Uh this isn’t the thread for that and I don’t know why you are typing in all caps but I am pretty sure if you factory reset the Orbi by putting a paper clip in the reset button hole in the back it will reset it to fresh out of the box status to set it up again.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cMw4ePACgc4
Hello FURRYe38. Huge thanks for taking the trouble to reply and provide such a comprehensive response. Having read a few of your replies to other similar threads I thought I had covered aspects that you usually ask! A few answers to your points:
- "Configure the modem for transparent bridge or modem only mode.." - I checked again this morning and the modem is set to modem only mode. It has a wifi button externally switched off (which I assume controls the wifi radios), and wifi is diasbled 'internally'. Also, the issue with the satellite dropping connection is a recent thing; the setup has worked really well until then, (perhaps until a firmware upgrade, I can't be sure) so it would seem unlikely to me that the issue is the TP-Link modem.
- "What size is your home?" - This seems to me to be a avery crude test of the suitability of a system like Orbi as the area of a property can be arranged in many diffrent ways - large footprint bungalow to five storey townhouse, either made of plasterboard or enginering brick! Our property is approx. 62sqm (670 sqft), which falls well below the limit of this system according to NG.
- "..distance between router and satellite" - covered in my post. They are about 10m (32 feet) apart located in diagonally opposite areas of the house.
- "What channels are you using?" - covered in the post. I have tried using Ch 1 for the 2.4GHz band, but it made no difference.
- "Any Wifi Neighbors near by? If so, how many?" - covered in the post.
- "Try enabling Beamforming and MIMO(MIMO may or maynot be needed) and WMM." - I must admit I can't see how to do this.
- "Try disabling the following and see: Armor, Circle, Daisy Chain, Fast Roaming, IPv6 and Set 20/40Mhz Coexistence to 40Mhz only." - Amor is not installed, Circle and Daisy Chain are off. Can't see where Fast Roaming is set. IPv6 is not activated and can't see where the other aspects are set.
- "Has a factory reset and setup from scratch been performed since last FW update?" - no not tried this. I was hoping to keep this as a last resort.
Again many thanks for your response to my post. I'll keep you 'posted' and see if Netgear Support have any other suggestions as I am still within my active support period.
Chris
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Good luck with V2.5.0.38
This new firmware v2.5.0.38 is atrocious,
I was having the same issues and worse. Anyway after a factory reset and no improvement in connection I downgraded directly to the last firmware v2.3.5.30 (first the satellite then the router.)
Anyway here's a direct link to the last good Firmware from July, you can downgrade to it directly https://kb.netgear.com/000061080/RBR50-RBS50-Firmware-Version-2-3-5-30
I found it by just going to the Orbi Download page and clicking view previous verions. I was able to downgrade directly to v2.3.5.30without doing some two step downgrade like it says to do to go from v2.2.1.212 to v2.3.0.32
Thank you for your response. Downgrading the firmware sounds attractive, but the problem is that the satelite is so unstable that the manual firmware update fails as the satelite drops off the network. I also get the following error message when trying to install the firmware file: "Safari can't open the page .....because the server unexpectedly fropped the connection. ...Wait a few minutes and try again." I will keep trying.
Chris
Hold the bus! It has finally managed to connect correclty and the firmware 'downgrade' has happened. Iwill see how that gets on.
Can you tell me if you did anything else once you'd done the firmware change? Did you do a reset or anything else?