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AllanA
Feb 28, 2020Guide
Generic 10G Wiring question
I have CAT 7 cable runs and am looking to create a 10GB backbone between our servers and key area's of our network where end-users will have 1GB throughput (until costs come down). I'm at the junctur...
msi
Feb 29, 2020Luminary
> Do I need SFP+ to RJ45 Copper modeule 10GB Tranceivers in addition to the plus and keystones?
There are switches that have both SFP+ as well as 10GBASE-T Ports. In the later case there is usually no need for an extra module. Also keep in mind that these modules (due to power limits of the SFP+ slot) limit the cable length. 30m is a usual limit, this might depend on the module and your cables. If you have a 10GBASE-T RJ45 port on your switch that would usually be preferred in your case.
AllanA
Mar 01, 2020Guide
Thank you. While it's logical, It seems odd to me to think there are advantages to not using the SFP+ modules. I'm glad I asked.
With the non-SFP+ switches, is every port then a 10G port or is it isolated to those ports dedicated to the higher speed? To control costs I'm looking to slowly meter out deployment of the 10G backbone and then extending it outward. I would imagine 12, 24 or 52 ports of 10G capability would be much more expensive than 2,4, or 6 dedicated 10G ports with the rest being 1G.
- msiMar 01, 2020Luminary
In the case of the M4300 for all detail check the data sheets. There are switches in that product line that are majorly 10/100/1000 BASE-T (typically with the one model having PoE capability. These often have 2 SFP+ and 2 10GBASE-T ports. There are other models that are mostly 10G oriented where you have a selection of mixtures or only a certain type of ports being 10GBASE-T or SFP+.
There is a mixture of models available, if you want to control cost, consider the half-wide models with 8 or 16 10G ports, they are 10G only, but they are less expensive than the largest models such as a fully built-up M4300-96X (which even supports some QSFP+).
- schumakuMar 01, 2020Guru - Experienced User
There are switches with "just" a few 10G ports (typically for uplink/switch interconnect/storage...) and the others 1G ports (various GSxxxT for example). Of course, there are also pure 10G switches (XS724E, XSxxxT).
Many switch models have combined 10G copper/RJ45 and SFP+ port pairs - only one of these pairs can be used at a time.
Be aware that 10G copper ports don't sync to the legacy 10Mb/s and Fast Ethernet (100 Mb/s) devices.
Further on, earlier switches with 10G ports only sync to 1G and 10G, while some other have 10G-MultiGig ports which can sync to 1G/2.5G/5G/10G. For switch interconnection and most storage/NAS applications that's not a big implication.
- AllanAMar 02, 2020Guide
To clarify, "Be aware that 10G copper ports don't sync to the legacy 10Mb/s and Fast Ethernet (100 Mb/s) devices."
Are you saying that only SFP+ ports/devices permit backward compatability to 10/100/1000 fast ethernet? If true, then SFP+ is the route I would prefer to take as I'm certain there are plenty of 100Mb/s and 1Gb/s lines running throughout the campuses.
My intention, at least initially, is to create the backbone between key departmental servers using 10G and leaving rest of the systems connected to the switch to run 1G or 100Mb (if necessary). But backward compatability is needed unless I want to begin rewiring everything (I don't, yet.).
- schumakuMar 03, 2020Guru - Experienced User
SFP+ can have other limitations:
- Typically a SFP+-RJ45 can run 1Gb and 10 Gb, if the switch does support also MultiGig.
- Things are different when using SFP+ fiber modules - here there is no speed negotiation.
10 GbE copper ports can be run either on 10 GbE or 1 GbE, but not on slower speeds. As long as you don't deploy only 10 GbE switches, this is not an issue. Classic 10 MbE, Fast Ethernet, and GbE can continue to run on GbE ports, e.g on switches with GbE or 10 GbE uplinks.
Not sure what your wiring concern is, as you state there is a CAT7 cabling anyway. Depending on the distances, I tend to prefer fiber: More reliable, much thinner, theoretical lower latency, but no DIY installations (except if you master fiber splicing).
The standard says that you can use CAT6 cable for run lengths up to 55 m or CAT6A or CAT7 cable for run lengths up to 100 m. We know that good CAT5A cabling has almost the same electrical behaviour like a cheap CAT6.
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