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Is there a list of LACP / 802.3ad switches of Netgear products?
Why does Netgear make even the simplist task such an understaking? Does anyone know where I can find a list of switches that work with link aggergation? Netgears web site sucks, searching by feaures isnt even an option. Are there other standards that will work? For example: 802.3xz does this rating mean it is also compatabile with the 802.3ad standard? Why is this information so difficult to find. I shouldn't have to come begging on a fourm Netgear, do better.
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Trouble starts there that the industry is still using 802.3AD term as a IEEE reference to dynamic LACP LAGs - formally it was moved about 15 years ago to IEEE 802.1AX-2008 8-)
Let's keep it very simple:
- All Fully Managed models are supporting the configuration and management of LACP LAGs, stackable models allow the LACP LAG ports to reside on multiple stack units.
- Almost all Smart (earlier designated Smart Managed Pro) and and Smart with optional Cloud Management models are supporting the configuration and management of LACP LAGs, very few exceptions on some models with small port numbers why ever.
- Only select Plus (earlier designated Smart Managed Plus) Web configurable models allow the configuration of LACP LAGs (as well as static LAGs).
- Unmanaged switches don't support LACP LAGs for the obvious reason.
Said that, the LACP LAG feature is commodity on Fully Managed and Smart Managed switches. Keep in mind LACP LAG (as well as static LAG) must be configured on similar technology ports, same link speed, and on links the same latency.
Granted, the switch selection page list is missing certain features. On a high level view, once you have selected the management capability desired, I'd tend to miss other more granular select options instead of uplink (gee, these are typically just ports) "fiber" the port type like SFP, SFP/SFP+, ... for example, too.
Before finalizing the selection, always review the Data Sheets as well as the fine documentation FMI.
Regards,
-Kurt
I thought you were going to keep it simple? LOL
"All Fully Managed models are supporting the configuration and management of LACP LAGs" I don't understand why they don't just say that as many of the data sheets specifiy that only switches that support 16 or more ports support link aggergation, now those could be older models and those sheets were accurate at the time?
Example: the Pro Safe GS108E states: "Link Aggregation / Port Trunking (Static LAGs on 16 ports and 24 ports, Static LAGs and LACP on 48 ports)" So for that switch it's a no go, correct?
"Said that, the LACP LAG feature is commodity on Fully Managed and Smart Managed switches"
So is it safe to assume that a switch using the 803.2az, or x, whatever, that since the last letter is higher the "d" designation that it by default has the same capabilites as a 803.2ad as well as additional features? Or they are all just seperate designations and one has nothing to do with the other?
To date I have only found one that states it has a link aggergation function is the GS308T-100NAS the data sheet says:
"Gigabit Ethernet switches and 8-, and 24-port Gigabit Ethernet PoE+ switches with 2 or 4 SFP ports for fiber uplinks, offering powerful Layer 2 features, enhanced performance and ease of use. They are purposely designed for converged networks where voice, video, data are all carried on a single network platform. Advanced features such as L2/L3/L4 Access Control Lists (ACLs), Quality of Service (QoS), Link Aggregation Control Protocol (LACP)"
This paticular one makes no mention of needing to be greater than 16 ports, so this one should be a go correct?
This is where the confusion lies for me. Can I have 2, 8 port GS308T switches connected to a link aggergated port (1 port for each switch) one in the basement, one in the front room, connected to a CAX30.
There is so much contridicting information out there and they aren't crystal clear at all about what switches can and can't do. take the Prosafe models Link/ LAG/ LACP and then at the bottom in small print "but only in certain models" <- thats kind of shady to advertise it as having a capability only to discover later that it in fact does not.
I believe everything you say, but if I understand you correctly I should be able to buy any fully or smart managed switch, even if it doesn't mention specifically LACP/ LAG? and those features will be there?
I wish they would just have some information on the different standards of IEEE and what they cover, what the desginations mean, do higher designations mean they cover all standards below them etc. It would make this a lot easier.
I WANT to buy the netgear version so everything runs in harmony but they aren't making it very easy to do so.
Yes, it's the easier way - and avid jumping around 8-) Please kindly follow the switch model classes as lined out - the classes I've referred to are the ones Netgear does also refer to on https://www.netgear.com/business/wired/switches/
schumaku wrote:
Let's keep it very simple:
- All Fully Managed models are supporting the configuration and management of LACP LAGs, stackable models allow the LACP LAG ports to reside on multiple stack units.
Fully Managed Switches -->> https://www.netgear.com/business/wired/switches/fully-managed/ - Almost all Smart (earlier designated Smart Managed Pro) and and Smart with optional Cloud Management models are supporting the configuration and management of LACP LAGs, very few exceptions on some models with small port numbers why ever.
Smart (earlier designated Smart Managed Pro) -->> https://www.netgear.com/business/wired/switches/smart/
Smart Cloud (with optional Cloud Management) -->> https://www.netgear.com/business/wired/switches/smart-cloud/ - Only select Plus (earlier designated Smart Managed Plus) Web configurable models allow the configuration of LACP LAGs (as well as static LAGs).
Plus (earlier designated Smart Managed Plus) are simple Web configurable switch devices -->> https://www.netgear.com/business/wired/switches/plus/ - Unmanaged switches don't support LACP LAGs for the obvious reason.
Unmanaged Switches -->> https://www.netgear.com/business/wired/switches/unmanaged/
Let's go ahead...
Brettmcm wrote:
"All Fully Managed models are supporting the configuration and management of LACP LAGs" I don't understand why they don't just say that as many of the data sheets specifiy that only switches that support 16 or more ports support link aggergation, now those could be older models and those sheets were accurate at the time?
Example: the Pro Safe GS108E states: "Link Aggregation / Port Trunking (Static LAGs on 16 ports and 24 ports, Static LAGs and LACP on 48 ports)" So for that switch it's a no go, correct?
The GS108E isn't a Manged Switch - it's what Netgear defines is as a "Plus", technically an almost simple "unmanaged" switch with some Web config options. Some versions don't offer any LAG, indeed.
Brettmcm wrote:
So is it safe to assume that a switch using the 803.2az, or x, whatever, that since the last letter is higher the "d" designation that it by default has the same capabilites as a 803.2ad as well as additional features? Or they are all just seperate designations and one has nothing to do with the other?
Lot of confusion on the LACP LAG here. As mentiond in the opening sentence "802.3AD term as a IEEE reference to dynamic LACP LAGs - formally it was moved about 15 years ago to IEEE 802.1AX-2008" The indusry has stuck and does typically still refer to 802.3AD.
802.3az is about Energy-Efficient Ethernet (EEE) - unrelated to LACP LAG ....
No idea what you refer with the "x".
FMI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.3
Brettmcm wrote:
To date I have only found one that states it has a link aggergation function is the GS308T-100NAS the data sheet says:
This paticular one makes no mention of needing to be greater than 16 ports, so this one should be a go correct?
Not sure in which aspect the GS308T is the only one - yes, it's a Smart (or Smart Cloud Managed) switch where [in my understanding] all switches offer an LACP LAG confguration.
Brettmcm wrote:
This is where the confusion lies for me. Can I have 2, 8 port GS308T switches connected to a link aggergated port (1 port for each switch) one in the basement, one in the front room, connected to a CAX30.
Even more confusion! A LAG does combine two or more links between two switches, or two hosts, or a switch and a host.
CAX30 ===LACP LAG=== GS308T ---x[1...6]--- ... on this GS308T you can connect direct up to six devices, where two or more cna take an advantage of the LAG.
If you intend to provide more bandwidth, something like this:
CAX30 ===LACP LAG 0=== GS308T[1] ===LACP LAG 1=== GS308T[2] ---x[21...26]---
do[1] ===LACP LAG 2=== GS308T[3] ---x[31...36]---
do[1] ---x[11...14]---
Note: Each LAG (0..2) must be configued individualls.
Regards,
-Kurt
PS. Be aware I'm just yet another Netgear user and customer.- All Fully Managed models are supporting the configuration and management of LACP LAGs, stackable models allow the LACP LAG ports to reside on multiple stack units.
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