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Orbi Router Model #RBR850 WiFi 6 WPA3 Ring cameras, Security System, other Devices can’t connect
When I turn on WPA3 Security and IPV6 my Cameras, Doorbell, FireStick and other devices can't connect to 2.4GHz or 5GHz WiFi. Is there anyway to connect these devices manually to 2.4 and 5G and my devices that are 6g capable be able to take advantage of WiFi 6. Thank you so much for all your help. Look forward to hearing from you. If it matters I'm using Verizon FIOS that is connected directly to the Orbi Router. I have a Verizon FIOS router but I'm not using it. I was told it's Better to go directly into the Orbi. Makes no sense that you can't connect all devices and take advantage of WiFi 6
CrimpOn wrote:
Rottikid wrote:
Is there anyway to tell which devices are connected to 5G and which devices are connected to WiFi 6 AX mode on 5G? Is there a breakout like there is for 2.4G and 5G which tells you which is connected to,what.
An interesting puzzle. 2.4G 802.11b/g/n has maximum data rates:
802.11b - 11mb
802.11g - 54mb
802.11n - 600 (theoretical)
If a 2.4G device is connected at a link rate higher than 54mb, is must be 802.11n (or ax?)
Yes, depends on what the device supports.
Don't forget AC. 80Mhz is 1300Mbps, 160 supports 1733Mpbs
5G 802..11 has similar limits. If the link rate is higher than 866, it must be ax. Actually don't forget AC. 5Ghz AC supports up to 1733Mpbs if 160Mhz is suported on both devices.
The only devices that can be connected with ax must have the capability of ax. That rules out a huge fraction of the devices in most homes.
Not having any myself, I wonder if any devices are capable of displaying ax connection? Depends on there support. Why have some load up WifiSweetSpots app on some mobile devices, can get a ball part speed rate with this app.
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You'll need to set WPA2/AES only on the RBR to allow for device security compatibility as not all devices support WPA3. NG hasn't implemented mixed WPA2 and 3 modes on the Orbi AX system yet. Hoping they will in some future FW update.
Netgear has set up a community forum specifically for the Orbi AX (WiFi 6) products. Most of the people who watch that forum are more likely to have experience with Orbi AX. Might be more likely to find someone who has a solution if the question is posted there:
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Orbi-AX/bd-p/en-home-orbi-ax
Please use this link to the main forum product list to review and choose where to make your posts.
https://community.netgear.com/t5/NETGEAR-Forum/ct-p/en-netgear
Thank youYour ISP Modem already has a built in router and wifi. This would be a double NAT (two router) condition which isn't recommended. https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT
https://kb.netgear.com/30187/How-to-fix-issues-with-Double-NAT
Couple of options,
1. Configure the modem for transparent bridge or modem only mode. Then use the Orbi router in router mode. You'll need to contact the ISP for help and information in regards to the modem being bridged correctly.
2. If you can't bridge the modem, disable ALL wifi radios on the modem, configure the modems DMZ/ExposedHost or IP Pass-Through for the IP address the Orbi router gets from the modem. Then you can use the Orbi router in Router mode.
3. Or disable all wifi radios on the modem and connect the Orbi router to the modem, configure AP mode on the Orbi router. https://kb.netgear.com/31218/How-do-I-configure-my-Orbi-router-to-act-as-an-access-point and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7LOcJ8GdDo&app=desktopTry option #2 first.
Ask the ISP if you can remove there router from the system and use Orbi router instead.
FURRYe38 is totally correct. There is no relationship between IPv6, WiFi6, and WPA3. Completely different things.
- IPv6 is the update from IPv4 that has been "coming" for nearly 20 years. None of the inexpensive Internet of Things (IoT) devices are capable of IPv6. They are perfectly happy using the router's IPv4 capability. Every Orbi since 2016 has supported IPv6.
- WiFi6 refers to 802.11ax. This is an improvement over 802.11b/g/n and 802.11ac that promises greater capacity for devices that are 802.11ax capable. (and there are not all that many of them). Once again, all of those existing devices, including televisions, security cameras, etc. etc. have radio chips in them that are not capable of 802.11ax. Even worse, there are some devices which will not connect if the "ax" feature is enabled. The choice then is (a) replace that device, or (b) disable ax for everything.
- WPA3 security is an "improvement" over WPA2. Once again, the number of devices which are capable of WPA3 is very few. (Microsoft just recently announced an update to Windows 10 to support WPA3.)
as FURRYe38 mentioned, some WiFi systems support both WPA2 and WPA3, which results in a system that is no more secure than WPA has been for years. I compare this to a homeowner who tells the locksmith "put in the most secure Medico lock there is" (special keys that can only be purchased by registered locksmiths. Special key cutting machine. Almost impossible to 'pick'. And then says, "oh, and also make it so my existing KwikSet keys will open the door."
WPA3 is great in a controlled environment where every computer is capable of WPA3.
Go back to WPA2 and things will connect.
CrimpOn,
The only reason I want to use WPA3 is because it is necessary if I'm going to use WiFi 6. I have quite a few devices that use WiFi 6. My iPhone, iPad, new Ring Pro Doorbell 2, and FireStick.
I figured my WiFi would be faster. I know the new Orbi 9 has WPA2/WPA3. Yes I know it also has WiFi 6E whIch is different than WiFi 6. Just wondering when they will fix the WPA2/WPA3 for the Orbi RBR850. I know it was released but had problems so it was taken down. It's pretty annoying that you can't use WiFi 6 with other devices. It is one of the reasons I bought this router. Hopefully Netgear is working on it. Thanks again for all your help. I'll forward to hearing from you. Have a good night.Rottikid
Rottikid wrote:
The only reason I want to use WPA3 is because it is necessary if I'm going to use WiFi 6.This is not my understanding. If WPA3 were required any time 802.11ax is enabled, then Netgear would not allow any other choice of security. All of the posts I have seen about the Orbi AX remark that users wish Netgear had provided WPA2/WPA3 mixed security, because the way it is they have to use WPA2 for all their devices that cannot use WPA3. That is, they use (802.11ax) and WPA2.
