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mbolo01's avatar
mbolo01
Apprentice
Jun 05, 2026

Orbi 37x and Local Network Control Block (224.0.0/24) multicast

Dear all,

 

I have an Orbi setup (RBE371 and 2x RBE370) that is causing me headaches with LAN  multicast.

 

One of my music application leverages multicast against 224.0.0.234 for node/companion discovery to build a multiroom group of players.

 

Unfortunately, RBEs are not letting this traffic going through and I'm not sure about the rationale behind it as (1) Netgear ethernet switches in my LAN are doing the job, (2) this multicast address is part of the Local Network block, so non routable, so no IGMP involvement if I understand well and (3) other protocols from the same block are going through properly, e.g. mDNS

 

Netgear support is telling me black & white on this topic, sometimes that the satellite should let these packets go through the router/satellite and in the same thread that I need to set my FAI router with IGMP features which does not make sense for this address block.

 

Can someone explain me what's wrong here, in the setup or in my understanding?

 

Tks!

 

Ps: I'm using the latest firmware in all Orbi kits, my RBE371 is in AP mode.

32 Replies

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    Does everything work if all is connected to the RBR if RBS are turned OFF temporarily as a quick test? 

    How is the RBR configured for AP mode? Dynamic or Static IP address? 

    RBR connected to host router using it's WAN port? 

    Brand and model# of the host router the RBR is connected too? 

     

    For AP mode, ALL should be flowing thru the system with out being blocked. There maybe some configuration needed at the host router to help effect that. 

    Someting to contact the music application mfr about and see if there are any specific configurations needed there. 

  • FURRYe38 we exchanged already about the hourly WiFi disconnect in RBS, still no progress from Netgear on this front and still hourly disconnects on my side.

     

    • I have tested against RBR, as well as against RBS, i.e two hosts connected to the same Orbi kit sending multicast packets to 224.0.0.234, this traffic does not go through.
    • RBR is having a static IP address, no DHCP here.
    • RBR is connected to a french FAI router (Freebox Delta) which is multicast aware (this is the way their TV stream is distributed), but not applicable here I guess as we ar in the Local Network control block space according to IANA.org
    • Agree that ALL should be flowing thru the system, particularly when both are connected to the same RBS, I don't see here the need for the FAI router involvement, particularly for a local network only traffic. I have a single IP subnet.
    • The music app uses Snapjack for this purpose, there is no special requirement but allowing multicast to 224.0.0.234 for discovery purpose.

     

     

     

  • CrimpOn's avatar
    CrimpOn
    Guru - Experienced User

    I agree with FURRYe38​ that the host router is an important part of the configuration.  With the current setup, does any of the data flow through the host router?

  • The host router carries all traffic he has to carry, i.e intranet/internet traffic.

    Host A & B are RPIs or MacOS depending on the tests I carried on.

    Host A & B are WiFi connected to the same Orbi kit (being RBR or RBS depending on the tests I carried on)

    Host A can communicate with host B in my LAN as well as other hosts in my LAN using many network protocols

    Host B can communicate with host A in my LAN as well as other hosts in my LAN using many network protocols

    ARP table of host A shows host B MAC address

    ARP table of host B shows host A MAC address

    Host A and host B can communicate with any Internet host through the FAI router, from which they get their IP address via DHCP

    Host A multicast packets sent to 224.0.0.234 are not received by any hosts in my LAN, including host B

    Host B multicast packets sent to 224.0.0.234 are not received by any hosts in my LAN, including host A

    If Host A & B are connected to the same Netgear switch, itself wired to a RBS, then they can see multicast packets from each other

     

     

    • FURRYe38's avatar
      FURRYe38
      Guru - Experienced User

      What is the model # of the switch? 

    • CrimpOn's avatar
      CrimpOn
      Guru - Experienced User
      mbolo01 wrote:

      Host A & B are RPIs or MacOS depending on the tests I carried on.

      It appears the test machines have both Ethernet and WiFi network connections, correct?

      Bummer that they cannot both be connected with Ethernet to the same Orbi unit (router or satellite)? (not enough Ethernet ports)

      If they are both connected with WiFi to the same Orbi unit (router or satellite), does the multicast still fail?

       

      • mbolo01's avatar
        mbolo01
        Apprentice

        Test machines are not connected to both Ethernet and Wifi at the same time.

        I used a Netgear Switch for the Ethernet test (GS108T) to ensure that both nodes were effectively sending/receiving these multicast packets. This switch has IGMP Snooping and Snooping Queriing

        When both connected to the same Orbi Unit, multicast to 224.0.0.234 fails.

        What is interesting (I just discovered that) is that these multicast packets are received in the Netgear Ethernet Switch that is wired to the RBS.

        I have used tcpdump and Wireshark to witness this traffic from both side.

        Attached is a drawing of my setup.

  • Update:

    Based on StephenB​  comment about "Blocking of unknown multicast addresses" , i ran the following test.

     

    Setup

    • Host A RPI  Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) Wifi connected to RBS 1
    • Host B RPI  Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) wired to Netgear Switch wired to RBS 1
    • iperf tool installed on both host A and host B

     

    Test Scenario

    • Join Host A to mcast group 224.0.0.252 (registered as Link-local Multicast Name Resolution) and use Host B as client to send datagrams to this group address: SUCCESS - Host A receives the datagrams
    • Join Host B to mcast group 224.0.0.252 (registered as Link-local Multicast Name Resolution) and use Host A as client to send datagrams to this group address: SUCCESS - Host B receives the datagrams
    • Join Host A to mcast group 224.0.0.235 (part of unassigned mcast block according to IANA) and use Host B as client to send datagrams to this group address: FAILURE - Host A DOES NOT receive datagrams
    • Join Host B to mcast group 224.0.0.235 (part of unassigned mcast block according to IANA) and use Host A as client to send datagrams to this group address: SUCCESS - Host B receives  datagrams

     

    My conclusion: 

    • These test are consistent with my first observations
    • When listening server is Host A and Host B is the sender, only datagrams to 224.0.0.251 and 252  groups are going through, many other mcast groups i have tested in the 224.0.0.1/24 block don't go through. Note: I have not tested all of them, but many well known, including IGMP 224.0.0.22 don't go through.
    • When listening server is Host B and host A is the sender, all mcast groups I have tested are going through
    • It is obvious that there is a difference between RBS/RBR ethernet port traffic management and wireless management
    • All tests I have done are reproducible

     

    • StephenB's avatar
      StephenB
      Guru - Experienced User
      mbolo01 wrote:

      Update:

      Based on StephenB​  comment about "Blocking of unknown multicast addresses" , i ran the following test.

       

      Setup

      Host A RPI  Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) Wifi connected to RBS 1
      Host B RPI  Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie) wired to Netgear Switch wired to RBS 1
      iperf tool installed on both host A and host B
       

      Test Scenario

      Join Host A to mcast group 224.0.0.252 (registered as Link-local Multicast Name Resolution) and use Host B as client to send datagrams to this group address: SUCCESS - Host A receives the datagrams
      Join Host B to mcast group 224.0.0.252 (registered as Link-local Multicast Name Resolution) and use Host A as client to send datagrams to this group address: SUCCESS - Host B receives the datagrams
      Join Host A to mcast group 224.0.0.235 (part of unassigned mcast block according to IANA) and use Host B as client to send datagrams to this group address: FAILURE - Host A DOES NOT receive datagrams
      Join Host B to mcast group 224.0.0.235 (part of unassigned mcast block according to IANA) and use Host A as client to send datagrams to this group address: SUCCESS - Host B receives  datagrams
       

      My conclusion: 

      These test are consistent with my first observations
      When listening server is Host A and Host B is the sender, only datagrams to 224.0.0.251 and 252  groups are going through, many other mcast groups i have tested in the 224.0.0.1/24 block don't go through. Note: I have not tested all of them, but many well known, including IGMP 224.0.0.22 don't go through.
      When listening server is Host B and host A is the sender, all mcast groups I have tested are going through
      It is obvious that there is a difference between RBS/RBR ethernet port traffic management and wireless management
      All tests I have done are reproducible

      KevinLiT​ - can you escalate this within Netgear?  Seems to me that in AP mode the Orbi should not be filtering any multicast addresses.