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Diskless ReadyNAS 3200 in the US?
I'm trying to figure out why the 3200 is seemingly not sold diskless in the US. I've found diskless 3200's (RN12P0000) listed on quite a few European sites, but get the big goose egg on any US sites. I noticed that yoh-dah answered in 2009 when the product was released that it was "Unlikely [to be sold diskless] as this is geared for the higher-end businesses."
I work with a few "higher-end businesses" that would be interested in diskless 3200's, but would never bite because of the seemingly inflated drive cost. For example ...
bhphotovideo.com:
6TB 3200 (RN12P0610-100NAS) = $4417
12TB 3200 (RN12P1210-100NAS) = $5679
24TB 3200 (RN12P1220-100NAS) = $8518
Cost of 6 1TB drives (the difference between the 6TB and 12TB versions of the 3200) = $1262.00
Or $210/drive
Supported RE4 WD1003FBYX are only ~ $115.00.
Following this logic (which admittedly is a bit flawed) a diskless unit would be around $3150.00 (three times the price of a ReadyNAS Pro 6, but for the form factor it can mostly be justified ... redundant power supplies go a long way with these folks.)
Assuming the cost of the chassis is 3150.00, then the cost of 12 2TB drives = $5368.00
Or $447/drive
Supported RE4 WD2002FYPS are only $200.00.
I'm not sure what "higher-end business" would be considering the 3200's at these seemingly skewed prices. Are there any plans to revisit the pricing on the 3200s? Or re-evaluate selling diskless units? Is there a reason why diskless units are seemingly sold to other markets, but the US is left out?
I completely understand that this is your product and your pricing, but it's pretty hard to pitch 3200's to any client when the pricing seems to be so skewed.
This may be a *totally* different situation, but I lived with Apple telling me for years and years that their 'special' Xserve RAID drives were worth every marked up dollar. Funny thing is that the Xserve RAIDs that I still have in production are all running off the shelf versions of the drives Apple OEM'd and I've had no issues 4 years and running.
Thanks for taking the time to read this I love the products and would like very much to use them for more solutions, but ... well ... see above.
Thanks.Peet
I work with a few "higher-end businesses" that would be interested in diskless 3200's, but would never bite because of the seemingly inflated drive cost. For example ...
bhphotovideo.com:
6TB 3200 (RN12P0610-100NAS) = $4417
12TB 3200 (RN12P1210-100NAS) = $5679
24TB 3200 (RN12P1220-100NAS) = $8518
Cost of 6 1TB drives (the difference between the 6TB and 12TB versions of the 3200) = $1262.00
Or $210/drive
Supported RE4 WD1003FBYX are only ~ $115.00.
Following this logic (which admittedly is a bit flawed) a diskless unit would be around $3150.00 (three times the price of a ReadyNAS Pro 6, but for the form factor it can mostly be justified ... redundant power supplies go a long way with these folks.)
Assuming the cost of the chassis is 3150.00, then the cost of 12 2TB drives = $5368.00
Or $447/drive
Supported RE4 WD2002FYPS are only $200.00.
I'm not sure what "higher-end business" would be considering the 3200's at these seemingly skewed prices. Are there any plans to revisit the pricing on the 3200s? Or re-evaluate selling diskless units? Is there a reason why diskless units are seemingly sold to other markets, but the US is left out?
I completely understand that this is your product and your pricing, but it's pretty hard to pitch 3200's to any client when the pricing seems to be so skewed.
This may be a *totally* different situation, but I lived with Apple telling me for years and years that their 'special' Xserve RAID drives were worth every marked up dollar. Funny thing is that the Xserve RAIDs that I still have in production are all running off the shelf versions of the drives Apple OEM'd and I've had no issues 4 years and running.
Thanks for taking the time to read this I love the products and would like very much to use them for more solutions, but ... well ... see above.
Thanks.Peet
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- none of the the rackmount units are not sold diskless.
if you see any website advertising a diskless version it has to be one where all the disks have been removed by the dealer.
if netgear had any diskless 3200 you would find it on the official netgear webpages (like the diskless ultras for example).
also if i take the price they charge for a diskless unit in europe and translate it to us-dollars you would pay 5266$ for a diskless unit.. a bit more pricey than the unit that comes with 6 disk wouldnt you agree? :) - Did you remove the VAT?
I have noticed that a number of on line retailers who used to list prices on the rack mount units, such as eAegis, no long post their prices. It says to call for prices. PapaBear wrote: Did you remove the VAT?
I have noticed that a number of on line retailers who used to list prices on the rack mount units, such as eAegis, no long post their prices. It says to call for prices.
even if you remove VAT you are still above 4k$ so only slightly below the 6 disk units price.
its really a moot point. there are no diskless rackmount units that netgear offers.
netgear offers these models for the 3200:
http://www.netgear.com/business/product ... fault.aspx
everything else is modified stuff from dealers.- I realize that Netgear does not offer any diskless rackmount units. I was trying to get a feel for what they were charging without the vat. To me it seems surprising that retailers in Europe would have a supply of these without drives, since they were most likely not shipped that way. The model number on the back would say for sure.
I did find online prices for the RN12P0610-100NAS at two stores. Amazon has it listed for $4612.99 while CDW (not noted for price competitiveness) has it listed for $5999.99. Unit prices at retailers are all over the place. Of course, each retailer sets their own prices. If too low, they sell more, but don't make as much. If they set it too high, they make even less.
I compared some prices on the RNDP6610-200NAS (Pro 6 with 6x1TB Enterprise drives). CDW is the highest (no surprise) at $2789, Newegg is at $2499.99, but they also have a $200 rebate to reduce that. Amazon is selling it for $2269.85 without a rebate. But, the best deal may be eAegis who takes a RNDP6000-200NAS and populates it with drives, sets it up and burns it in for 48 hours before shipping. With 6x1TB Seagate Constellation ST31000524NS drives and calls it RNDP6610-200EIN it is priced at $1695. - What I think those retailers would do is take a couple of semi-populated 3200s. Remove the disks from one and put them in another 3200 to make a fully populated unit. The spacers could then all be in the diskless unit. So they have a diskless and fully-populated unit to sell. NetGear doesn't like that to be done but some retailers do it. It would seem to me to perhaps be questionable as to what would happen if you purchased the fully populated unit and one of the disks from the other unit failed.
- Hadn't thought of that. It would be easy to take two 6x1TB units, make one 12x1TB unit and one diskless unit. I guess the reason I hadn't thought of it was the fact that it would be unethical to do so, for now you are selling a unit as a model it is not really. Some people may not notice or care, but the model number would give it away.
I'm not sure, but in the U.S., I think it is illegal to sell a unit that has been opened and modified as a new unit. If nothing else, if it became prevalent and Netgear found out about it, they could lose the right to sell them. The probably have similar restrictions down under. - They may not do what I guessed but, then they'd have the problems of having drive bays with no spacers in them. Empty rackmount drive bays should have spacers in them to fill up the space and allow proper airflow.
I haven't see any diskless 3200 units Down Under. Even if there was, I wouldn't buy one unless NetGear officially released one. - Ah that, makes a bit of sense. I totally get that Netgear doesn't sell diskless 3200's here in the US ... I'd just guessed that there was some sort of non-US version.
Now the real question is why they charge so much for their disks. And it seems that the answer is the age old, because they can. Though I'm still not at all comfortable reading yoh-dah's response that they are "Unlikely [to be sold diskless] as this is geared for the higher-end businesses." Why would higher-end businesses want to spend more on the same drives just because they're higher-end? Most businesses don't get to be 'higher-end' without making the very best use of every penny.
So it goes. I just hope that Netgear takes the time to reevaluate the pricing on these boxes.
Cheers.Peet - diskless 3200 is still not really worth it without 3tb support
TeknoJnky wrote: diskless 3200 is still not really worth it without 3tb support
Agreed. Ability to upgrade to higher capacity disks is important to me.
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