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ReadyNas NV+ V2 4 bay questions
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I am looking to purchase either the ReadyNas NV+ V2 4 bay or the Synology Ds413(j) in the next few days, but I would appreciate some clarification before I make a final decision.
I have been down the route of DIY Nas's and haven't successfully managed to build anything that consumes so little power compared to ready built Nas's and apart from the HP Proliant Microserver, putting a nas together works out more expensive than buying a ready made one.
I have read a few reviews, from PCPro, StorageReviews and Andtech
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/storage-appliances/372292/netgear-readynas-nv-v2/2
http://www.storagereview.com/netgear_readynas_nv_v2_review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5071/netgears-marvell-based-readynas-nv-v2-review
These seem to be a mixed bag really and there is nothing to compare directly with the DS413(j) as yet that I have found.
I will be using this primarily for serving my Samsung TV via DLNA, backing up a couple of windows computers and for file storage, performance is important, but I am not expecting anything earth shattering as both these are entry level NAS's.
The plus sides for NV+ V2 is the fact it has USB 3 ports, an LCD display easy accessible drive bays, X-Raid(2) and it's currently almost half the price of the Ds413j :shock:
The not so plus sides are that from what I have seen there seem to be very little in the way of addons for the NV+ V2 in particular ISCSI, not a deal breaker but it has been almost a year and this still doesn't seem to have materialised.
Power usage is possibly another issue, ReadyNas NV+ V2 seems to use about 20w more power than the DS413j, I know its not a massive difference and will take 50 hours to equate to a KW of power, but since the two NAS's use the same processor and the NV+ V2 uses half the ram and DDR2 this is surprising, I can only assume this is down to an inefficient power supply?
Is it relatively simple to upgrade the power supply? I ask this because at the moment the NV+ V2 is just under half the price of the DS413j so an extra £40 for a decent power supply would still leave me in pocket so to speak.
I have read somewhere that it is not possible to backup the ReadyNas to storage attached to the USB 3 ports? is this correct? if so I am struggling to see any point in having the USB 3 ports
I have also discovered ram not upgradeable, not a deal breaker, but wonder if this is a reason why so few addons seem to be available for the NV+ and Duo, I would personally have happily paid an extra £20 for this box and have it with 1GB or DDR3, ram is so cheap at the moment, I really fail to see how this was a big cost saving for Netgear, but as I stated earler not a deal breaker if it performs reasonably well then that is fine by me, I have about 3TB of files to transfer to the Nas once I have purcahsed and don't want to spend weeks transfering them via USB 3 :lol:
I have three WD20EARX oem drives that I want to put in the Nas, probably configured using Xraid-2 or hybrid raid if I opt for Synology.
Synology claim that using their HDD hibernation their unit will only consume <5.8W taking 40-50 seconds to wake the disks from smart tv, this would be acceptable for me as I will be using the Nas Ad-Hoc times when it is on and would want it to use as little power as possible when it is on, but will also make use of the shutdown/restart schedule for the times when it won't be used. Does the ReadyNas have any other power saving options to offer something similar to HDD hibernation and get anywhere close to 5.8W? What about something similar to Deep Hibernation consuming < 3w but quick wakeup and boot time < 3W wasted energy I know, but if boot takes a long time this maybe a reasonable compromise.
Also, can anybody confirm if the CyberPower DX600e UPS will work with the NV+ V2? I would probably have the NV+ V2 next to it and run the USB cable to the USB 2 port on the front.
If you have reached this far, thanks for taking the time to read this post and hopefully clarify some of my questions.
Cheers :D
I am looking to purchase either the ReadyNas NV+ V2 4 bay or the Synology Ds413(j) in the next few days, but I would appreciate some clarification before I make a final decision.
I have been down the route of DIY Nas's and haven't successfully managed to build anything that consumes so little power compared to ready built Nas's and apart from the HP Proliant Microserver, putting a nas together works out more expensive than buying a ready made one.
I have read a few reviews, from PCPro, StorageReviews and Andtech
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/storage-appliances/372292/netgear-readynas-nv-v2/2
http://www.storagereview.com/netgear_readynas_nv_v2_review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5071/netgears-marvell-based-readynas-nv-v2-review
These seem to be a mixed bag really and there is nothing to compare directly with the DS413(j) as yet that I have found.
I will be using this primarily for serving my Samsung TV via DLNA, backing up a couple of windows computers and for file storage, performance is important, but I am not expecting anything earth shattering as both these are entry level NAS's.
The plus sides for NV+ V2 is the fact it has USB 3 ports, an LCD display easy accessible drive bays, X-Raid(2) and it's currently almost half the price of the Ds413j :shock:
The not so plus sides are that from what I have seen there seem to be very little in the way of addons for the NV+ V2 in particular ISCSI, not a deal breaker but it has been almost a year and this still doesn't seem to have materialised.
Power usage is possibly another issue, ReadyNas NV+ V2 seems to use about 20w more power than the DS413j, I know its not a massive difference and will take 50 hours to equate to a KW of power, but since the two NAS's use the same processor and the NV+ V2 uses half the ram and DDR2 this is surprising, I can only assume this is down to an inefficient power supply?
Is it relatively simple to upgrade the power supply? I ask this because at the moment the NV+ V2 is just under half the price of the DS413j so an extra £40 for a decent power supply would still leave me in pocket so to speak.
I have read somewhere that it is not possible to backup the ReadyNas to storage attached to the USB 3 ports? is this correct? if so I am struggling to see any point in having the USB 3 ports
I have also discovered ram not upgradeable, not a deal breaker, but wonder if this is a reason why so few addons seem to be available for the NV+ and Duo, I would personally have happily paid an extra £20 for this box and have it with 1GB or DDR3, ram is so cheap at the moment, I really fail to see how this was a big cost saving for Netgear, but as I stated earler not a deal breaker if it performs reasonably well then that is fine by me, I have about 3TB of files to transfer to the Nas once I have purcahsed and don't want to spend weeks transfering them via USB 3 :lol:
I have three WD20EARX oem drives that I want to put in the Nas, probably configured using Xraid-2 or hybrid raid if I opt for Synology.
Synology claim that using their HDD hibernation their unit will only consume <5.8W taking 40-50 seconds to wake the disks from smart tv, this would be acceptable for me as I will be using the Nas Ad-Hoc times when it is on and would want it to use as little power as possible when it is on, but will also make use of the shutdown/restart schedule for the times when it won't be used. Does the ReadyNas have any other power saving options to offer something similar to HDD hibernation and get anywhere close to 5.8W? What about something similar to Deep Hibernation consuming < 3w but quick wakeup and boot time < 3W wasted energy I know, but if boot takes a long time this maybe a reasonable compromise.
Also, can anybody confirm if the CyberPower DX600e UPS will work with the NV+ V2? I would probably have the NV+ V2 next to it and run the USB cable to the USB 2 port on the front.
If you have reached this far, thanks for taking the time to read this post and hopefully clarify some of my questions.
Cheers :D
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- BlokeUK - you might consider the Ultra 4. I believe the ram is in a socket, and it comes with 1GB and is faster than the NV+ v2. It also has the internal PSU rather than a brick and of course the x-86 OS has a lot of third party add-ons available. It is designed as the mid-range consumer model as opposed to the entry level ARM based units.
honcho wrote: Hey BlokeUK,
I agree with you that no add-ons for ARM platform have materialized and has been a major complaint of mine (in additional to the RAM not being upgradable). Check out my recent post: http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=66958
Just read this post, seems to be a few teething problems still :-o
I think it would be a shame to quit now though, it has potential, but will take time I guess.
Over here, the nv + 4 bay is now under £150 on amazon and makes for an attractive option, but I also wonder if there are other underlying reasons for this huge price cut?
I would imagine a fair amount of that 256 gb ram is being used by the os and running services, my phone had more memory than that and its running an arm processor, and balks if too much is happening at once.Reading above, if your going to use the NAS for just that, you should look into ReadyNAS Duo v2.
If you read my post, I'm thinking of leaving the ReadyNAS community after 4+ years of use because add-ons for the ARM platform is basically nonexistent. Even after almost 1 year since the NV+ v2 and Duo v2 released, not much has materialized.
I have, and seems to be a complaint from a few nv2 usersAlso, I was so blinded by my love for ReadyNAS that I didn't look to other NAS platforms (I mean firmware/software to manage the NAS). I've recently seen Synology's DSM software and it's looks super amazing.
I can understand why you were attracted to the nv2, it looks much more robust than synology and you don't need to take the case apart to add drives, but I agree, their entry level j nas's offer 512 mb ddr 3
and much more in the way of addons
Also while I understand that developers need paying for their time, it looks like community addons are charged, similar to whs2011, not a problem as I only need one or two addons which aren't available yet and may never be.
Sorry to say, but after 4+ years of ReadyNAS Duo I can't wholeheartedly recommend ReadyNAS (the performance on the Duo is very good, but they also got rid of Jumbo Frames from Duo v1).
I appreciate your honesty and will now have to digest the pros and cons and make a decision.
I was leaning toward the nv2, but after more digging I need to re-asseschirpa wrote: Jumbo Frames is probably more the new RAIDiator v5 GUI not having the option, than the hardware not supporting it. Many options that were in v1 are not in v2, such as Printer support, Network UPS (later added?), DHCP server (yes, rare option).
Seeing as Sparc hardware from 2004 did it, I'd be surprised that this ARM setup built by NTGR in 2011 would not. Has anyone tried using ifconfig on shell to change the MTU?
Anyone know if this is possible?mdgm wrote: There are plenty of apps in development for Genie Apps for the Duo/NV+ v2 and there are some community add-ons available.
There are a lot of complaints that GENIE is currently broken and not working.
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=66958PapaBear wrote: BlokeUK - you might consider the Ultra 4. I believe the ram is in a socket, and it comes with 1GB and is faster than the NV+ v2. It also has the internal PSU rather than a brick and of course the x-86 OS has a lot of third party add-ons available. It is designed as the mid-range consumer model as opposed to the entry level ARM based units.
Been looking at them, cost a bit more, but more in line with the synology prices, so a more apples for apples comparison.
Probably look at a used or refurb model, as I do think the ram could be an issue when running ISCSI and future apps
Thankshoncho wrote: chirpa wrote: Jumbo Frames is probably more the new RAIDiator v5 GUI not having the option, than the hardware not supporting it. Many options that were in v1 are not in v2, such as Printer support, Network UPS (later added?), DHCP server (yes, rare option).
Seeing as Sparc hardware from 2004 did it, I'd be surprised that this ARM setup built by NTGR in 2011 would not. Has anyone tried using ifconfig on shell to change the MTU?
Anyone know if this is possible?
Should be possible via ifconfig, if the hardware supports it, I would guess it is a marvell ethernet port and would be surprised if it didn't :shock:- I was also torn between Synology 413j and nv+ v2...went with the NV+ v2 as it was on sale for $200 AR...still have Synology envy though - DSM looks amazing and seems to have a LOT of functionality and add-ons.
Also, make sure you compare Hardware Compatibility Lists - Readynas has ALWAYS been slow in approving drives for the systems (I know, I've owned an NV+ v1 for 5 years)... BlokeUK wrote: honcho wrote: chirpa wrote: Jumbo Frames is probably more the new RAIDiator v5 GUI not having the option, than the hardware not supporting it. Many options that were in v1 are not in v2, such as Printer support, Network UPS (later added?), DHCP server (yes, rare option).
Seeing as Sparc hardware from 2004 did it, I'd be surprised that this ARM setup built by NTGR in 2011 would not. Has anyone tried using ifconfig on shell to change the MTU?
Anyone know if this is possible?
Should be possible via ifconfig, if the hardware supports it, I would guess it is a marvell ethernet port and would be surprised if it didn't :shock:
i just tried this via ssh and you can change the mtu to 9000, but i can't prove that it's working properly. doing file transfers (writes to NAS) to test it gives ranges all over the place. i made sure to change my mbp mtu to 9000 as well and remembered to mount/remount drives after changing the mtu values. also i don't think the max mtu value is 9000 for the duo v2. i believe it was 7XXX was the max mtu value on the duo v1. not sure if it's the same for the v2. :(
also after making the adjustment of the mtu value on the duo v2, if you restart the NAS, the mtu value resets.toomanybarts wrote: I was also torn between Synology 413j and nv+ v2...went with the NV+ v2 as it was on sale for $200 AR...still have Synology envy though - DSM looks amazing and seems to have a LOT of functionality and add-ons.
Also, make sure you compare Hardware Compatibility Lists - Readynas has ALWAYS been slow in approving drives for the systems (I know, I've owned an NV+ v1 for 5 years)...
do u regret purchasing the nv+ v2? if you can do it all over again would you change to the synology?honcho wrote: BlokeUK wrote: honcho wrote: chirpa wrote: Jumbo Frames is probably more the new RAIDiator v5 GUI not having the option, than the hardware not supporting it. Many options that were in v1 are not in v2, such as Printer support, Network UPS (later added?), DHCP server (yes, rare option).
Seeing as Sparc hardware from 2004 did it, I'd be surprised that this ARM setup built by NTGR in 2011 would not. Has anyone tried using ifconfig on shell to change the MTU?
Anyone know if this is possible?
Should be possible via ifconfig, if the hardware supports it, I would guess it is a marvell ethernet port and would be surprised if it didn't :shock:
i just tried this via ssh and you can change the mtu to 9000, but i can't prove that it's working properly. doing file transfers (writes to NAS) to test it gives ranges all over the place. i made sure to change my mbp mtu to 9000 as well and remembered to mount/remount drives after changing the mtu values. also i don't think the max mtu value is 9000 for the duo v2. i believe it was 7XXX was the max mtu value on the duo v1. not sure if it's the same for the v2. :(
also after making the adjustment of the mtu value on the duo v2, if you restart the NAS, the mtu value resets.
I am unsure of the verion of linux the ReadyNas uses, but it should be able to be made permanent by editing the ifup file, which usually resides in /etc.
typing ifconfig at the shell should show the mtu of the ethernet adapter usualy eth0, if it doesn't work, you should get an error when running ifup eth0
After editing the mtu value, do an ifdown eth0 or whatever the interface is called in ifconfig and then do an ifup eth0 and that should be all that is required to add jumbo frame support I would have thought, thats all I do on my linux boxes, whether this is different for the ReadyNas I have no idea.
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