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JustKJ
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Dec 19, 2017
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USB HDD used as destination for Backup of 314 / use old NAS instead?

I purchased a Seagate Expansion 3TB Desktop External Hard Drive USB 3.0 (STBV3000100)

few years back to serve as my destination to backup my RN314. I plugged it into the front port of my NAS and while I am able to back up to it, it only recognizes 2 TB of space.

 

1. Have I done something that limited my NAS to recognizing only 2TB.

2. Assuming I fix that, or the NAS OS is capable of larger destination drives, what is maximum supported?

 

I currently only back up with shares and not my timemachine (a decision made mainly about space).  I recently began a vertical upgrade of space on my NAS, because my Shares grew.  I am now backup up only 3 of 4 shares.  The data on the 4th is replaceable with a little effort.

 

 

As an asude, I still have the chassis of my old ReadyNAS NV+ can I fill it with retired HDD from my upgrade and use it as a backup destination?  EIther place it offsite and backup over the net (might be too slow) or bring it onsite once a week and store it off site?

  • I am thinking you formatted the USB drive on the NAS, likely using the EXT format that Mac and Windows doesn't recognize.  I think there was a bug a while back that would account for the loss of space.

     

    I don't see much point in using a drive format that you can only read on the NAS.  Generally I think NTFS is the best option, so I'd reformat it on the PC.  Then you'd be able to read/write to the drive from windows, and read from it on a Mac.  You might need to delete the partitions ("volumes") using Windows Disk Manager first, and then create a new partition that fills the whole disk.

     

    As far as the max size goes, a lot of the very large USB drives (5TB and up) use SMR technology.  These might cause some issues with the NAS.  There's no easy way to tell if a large USB drive uses SMR or not - the specs generally don't say.  One approach is to get a powered USB enclosure + an internal drive - then you will know the drive specs.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • StephenB's avatar
    StephenB
    Guru - Experienced User

    JustKJ wrote:

     

    As an asude, I still have the chassis of my old ReadyNAS NV+ can I fill it with retired HDD from my upgrade and use it as a backup destination?  EIther place it offsite and backup over the net (might be too slow) or bring it onsite once a week and store it off site?


    You can, keeping in mind that the NV+ is limited to 2 TB disks.

     

    There used to be a free rsync-over-ssh add-on for the NV+, but I am not seeing it now.  You could use a VPN - that could potentially be hosted in the two routers, or in PCs on each site.  ZeroTier and OpenVPN are two options there.

     


    JustKJ wrote:

    I plugged it into the front port of my NAS and while I am able to back up to it, it only recognizes 2 TB of space.

     


    If you attach the disk to a windows PC and look at it with the Windows Disk Manager, what partitions do you see?

    • JustKJ's avatar
      JustKJ
      Aspirant

      Thanks stephen for the quick response.  

       

      When I look at the drive through the NAS interface, it shows a max of 2TB (SMB protocal).   I use to be able to connect directly to my Mac and see the files or use a Virtual Machince PC see it, but when I connected it just now, my Mac responded that it was in an unreadable format, and offered to Eject, Ignore, or format.

       

      I plugged it into my wife's work PC and it offered it format it right away.   

       

      I believe my course of action is to purchase a new drive, make a full new back up to it, then reformat the old drive, and begin alternating between them.

       

      So i guess back to my first question, what the the largest USB HDD size that my NAS can recognize and use a s destination for backups?

      • StephenB's avatar
        StephenB
        Guru - Experienced User

        I am thinking you formatted the USB drive on the NAS, likely using the EXT format that Mac and Windows doesn't recognize.  I think there was a bug a while back that would account for the loss of space.

         

        I don't see much point in using a drive format that you can only read on the NAS.  Generally I think NTFS is the best option, so I'd reformat it on the PC.  Then you'd be able to read/write to the drive from windows, and read from it on a Mac.  You might need to delete the partitions ("volumes") using Windows Disk Manager first, and then create a new partition that fills the whole disk.

         

        As far as the max size goes, a lot of the very large USB drives (5TB and up) use SMR technology.  These might cause some issues with the NAS.  There's no easy way to tell if a large USB drive uses SMR or not - the specs generally don't say.  One approach is to get a powered USB enclosure + an internal drive - then you will know the drive specs.

         

         

         

         

         

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