LMS on latest ReadyNAS products?

It's funny you should mention it, but I was considering buying a cheap Android tablet as a replacement for the Touch, but the lack of an Ethernet connector put me off that idea (I should mention that by choice, I operate wired-only) - that and the lack of a coax or optical audio out. The attraction of the Wandboard solution is that it has Gigabit Ethernet and is designed to have quality sound, with optical and coax audio outputs. So, if it turns out to be too slow running LMS, I can add a touchscreen and forget LMS altogether. I don't use the multiplayer functionalities anyway. The Touch was acquired basically as a way of playing music through the living-room stereo without using a PC.

Let me know what you think. I greatly appreciate your help.

Les

I think you might have an incomplete understanding of what LMS actually does.

A digital music system has to do three basic things:

1. Manage music files.
2. Present a user interface.
3. Play music.

LMS handles all of #1 and #2, and much of #3. The Squeezebox players don't really do much on their own; if you remove LMS, you won't be left with anything useful.

An analogy:

LMS is like a radio station that plays songs requested by telephone, and the Squeezebox or Wandboard player is like an FM radio in your house. When you say that you can add a touchscreen to your Wandboard and forget LMS altogether, that is almost like suggesting that you could add a telephone to your radio and forget about the radio station altogether.

You need LMS, or something very much like it.

Also, I wasn't suggesting that an Android tablet could replace your Squeezebox player; in my system, the tablet is simply a portable controller for the players -- like a Squeezebox Touch screen that I can carry around. Music still comes out of the Squeezeboxes.

Thanks. Well, I'd replace LMS with what I use all day on my PC - Foobar 2000, or its equivalent on a built-to-purpose fanless Android or Linux PC that lives in the "stereo cabinet" - in my case an old armoire. Foobar does the parts of what LMS does that I'm interested in - namely build a database of music and serve it from the NAS via a fairly utilitarian user interface (maybe I can find an app with a fancier interface that takes advantage of the touchscreen). I understand that LMS does much more in that it can manage other Squeeze devices on the network and connect to mysqueezebox.com or whatever it's called - but I don't have the former or use the latter. I do use the Web radio part, but I'm sure Web radio can be accessed from the device we're talking about creating. Anyway I don't see myself acquiring any new Squeeze devices from Logitech, in light of the fact that they've dropped the line. OTOH, I applaud the community-based, non-profit effort to build a replacement and tell a big company that real human needs should not be dependent on profitability alone. Call me a radical if you want - I also refill my own Canon ink cartridges. [shrug smilie]

By the way, I'm now in the process of re-populating the NV+ with my collection after a factory reset. At your suggestion I've downloaded the latest nightly of LMS (logitechmediaserver-7.8.1-1397251110). When I get it up and running on the Touch I'll give you a report on how it performs - some time after Easter, most likely.

7.8.1 should be a little more responsive than the 7.7.1 as the mysql database has been replace with SQLite and overhead has been cut back a bit. The web interface is still a bit slow to get going but I found that the controllers were a little faster. YMMV.

Hmm... So first they decided to move from SQLite to MySQL with v. 6.5 because supposedly it would be better and faster, and now they've decided to move back? I'm not sure how reassuring that is. Maybe somebody can explain the advantages. I've had a lot of trouble with versions of LMS that couldn't scan my full collection.

As I recall from old threads, the older version of SQLite had some issues which have been resolved in current releases.
MySql was starting to have performance issues with large libraries. There were some folks that came up with MySql tuning that was supposed to help but the sqlite implementation seems to have made that unnecessary.
As far as I have seen, scanning problems involved tags with odd combinations of non-english characters, unicode issues.
I have never seen that type of problem, but they seem to have popped up in the past.

Current versions of LMS seem to have no problems scanning files with non-ASCII characters in filenames or tags.

Glad to hear it. I myself reported and lengthily tested for such a problem. LMS would stop scanning when it hit files with certain content in the tags and not throw any kind of error message. Once I get my NAS up and running I'll load whatever the latest daily is and we'll see what happens. Meanwhile I'm looking into the Wandboard + 7" display as a both an LMS and a non-LMS solution (if LMS still proves too slow).

You presumably already have a PC that you use for other purposes. Have you tried running LMS on it? That's an easy experiment and it would show you the potential improvement that you could get with fast hardware.

I know this is an old thread, but i just wanted you to know that I finally got fed up with the slow performance of LMS on the NV+ and got a Wandboard and loaded up SoA (SqueezeonArch) (see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthrea ... er-version)

But I may never know how much faster or slower LMS might be on the Wandboard because I can't manage to mount my ReadyNAS media share folder on Arch Linux on the Wandboard. You can follow the discussion here http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthrea ... ebox-Touch if you're still interested (I'm now called Lestrad).

I managed to get the problem sorted out. See: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthrea ... post813220

I started a scan of my 54,000-file collection and it looks as if it'll take about 100 minutes total. Not blazingly fast, but it's about four times faster than the last full scan run on the NAS. The one before that took 15 hours...

So with the caveat that configuration isn't automatic, LMS on a Wandboard http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103319-LMS-on-Wandboard-with-ReadyNAS-and-Squeezebox-Touch&p=813220#post813220 looks like a viable alternative to buying a new high-powered NAS or using an old, power-hungry and noisy desktop to run LMS. The NAS can enjoy a golden maturity doing what it does best - being a server.