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redpola
Jul 26, 2012Aspirant
Mountain Lion >>> No backups
So, I upgraded to ML, and now my TM icon has the exclamation mark on it. If I try to manually start the backup I'm told the disk isn't available. If I try to select the backup disk in TM prefs I canno...
kossboss
Mar 05, 2013Guide
Check out this LINK: viewtopic.php?f=71&t=65411&p=387532#p387532
But here is the main point
If anyone gets issues with Time Machine and mountain line connecting.
I have tested with the following Hardware READNYAS ULTRA on 4.2.22 with Mountain Lion OSX 10.8.2 I was able to get Time Machine to connect to the Share (for 3 hours I didnt see the READYNAS on Timemachine on the Mac, everything was set right on the MAC and on the NAS). The Problem was that we had a Router in between a Layer 3 device blocking Bonjour Communication with the MAC PC. The trick was to connect directly into the PC or get a switch in between. The solution to all of you having issues not seeing the NAS is to:
(a) have bonjour Enabled and AFP was on - I forgot to check if we needed to have a connected session via AFP from the PC - but most likely not, it just needs bonjour
(b) dont have any layer 3 devices in between (routers, wifi from routers - isntead get an access point connected to a switch)
(c) plug directly into a switch or the pc with the readynas and it works
Bonjour is a layer 2 type of broadcast so it cant get past router and wifi from routers, or thru computers - anything layer 3 is bad for it.
What did not work:
INTERNET
|
Router--PC1
|
Readnyas
What worked - half of a solution:
$ and ~ meaning a wired or wifi connection (where wifi is on the router)
Internet
|
Router~~~~PC2(cant talk to the readynas via timemachine but with proper routes on the router and pcs you can get other things to work - thus not a good implimentation)
$
PC1(can talk to the readynas)
|
Readynas (now Readynas can only talk with PC1, if you had other pcs on the network connected to the router it wouldnt work because there would be at least 1 layer 3 device in between)
The above is only good if you need 1 computer to access the READYNAS (and no external access to the NAS via port forwards etc.). Timemachine will work great because there is 0 layer 3 devices in between.
If PC2 wanted to talk to the READYNAS time machine it wouldnt work because there is 2 layer 3 devices in between - the router and PC1
THE BEST IMPLENTATION HANDS DOWN:
need a router - the same one does fine, need a Switch, and for wireless need an Access Point (the wifi on the router is a layer 3 type of communication, we need to make it layer 2, access points are layer 2 wireless)
Remember Wifi on routers 99% of the time are layer 3 type of Wifi, and Accesspoint wireless is layer 2. The PC and routers are layer 3. Switches are Layer2. When I say READYNAS(layer3) to SWITCH(layer2) to PC(layer3) that is only a layer 2 device in between (the readynas is a layer 3 device and the PC is a layer 3 device, but they are not in between the communication stream so it doesnt hurt). Another good communication Stream READYNAS(layer3) to SWITCH(layer2) to ACCESS POINT(layer2) to PC(layer3) = this type of communication will work because there are only layer 2 devices in between :-) The layer 3 devices on the end points dont count. Remember its whats in between that matters.
Again to Recap:
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-PC
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-WIFI-PC
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-SWITCH-PC
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-ACCESSPOINT-PC
good: READYNAS - SWITCH - PC
good: READYNAS - SWITCH - ACCESS POINT - PC
good: READYNAS - PC
So with that here is the Best Solution:
INTERNET
|
ROUTER
|
SWITCH----Access point
|
|
READYNAS
PC1 and PC2 can connect wired to the Switch or wirelessly to the Access Point and everything will work, time machine will be found becuase bonjour will be discovered.
I hope this helps all of you having issues with NAS to Timemachine Device Not found issues.
But here is the main point
If anyone gets issues with Time Machine and mountain line connecting.
I have tested with the following Hardware READNYAS ULTRA on 4.2.22 with Mountain Lion OSX 10.8.2 I was able to get Time Machine to connect to the Share (for 3 hours I didnt see the READYNAS on Timemachine on the Mac, everything was set right on the MAC and on the NAS). The Problem was that we had a Router in between a Layer 3 device blocking Bonjour Communication with the MAC PC. The trick was to connect directly into the PC or get a switch in between. The solution to all of you having issues not seeing the NAS is to:
(a) have bonjour Enabled and AFP was on - I forgot to check if we needed to have a connected session via AFP from the PC - but most likely not, it just needs bonjour
(b) dont have any layer 3 devices in between (routers, wifi from routers - isntead get an access point connected to a switch)
(c) plug directly into a switch or the pc with the readynas and it works
Bonjour is a layer 2 type of broadcast so it cant get past router and wifi from routers, or thru computers - anything layer 3 is bad for it.
What did not work:
INTERNET
|
Router--PC1
|
Readnyas
What worked - half of a solution:
$ and ~ meaning a wired or wifi connection (where wifi is on the router)
Internet
|
Router~~~~PC2(cant talk to the readynas via timemachine but with proper routes on the router and pcs you can get other things to work - thus not a good implimentation)
$
PC1(can talk to the readynas)
|
Readynas (now Readynas can only talk with PC1, if you had other pcs on the network connected to the router it wouldnt work because there would be at least 1 layer 3 device in between)
The above is only good if you need 1 computer to access the READYNAS (and no external access to the NAS via port forwards etc.). Timemachine will work great because there is 0 layer 3 devices in between.
If PC2 wanted to talk to the READYNAS time machine it wouldnt work because there is 2 layer 3 devices in between - the router and PC1
THE BEST IMPLENTATION HANDS DOWN:
need a router - the same one does fine, need a Switch, and for wireless need an Access Point (the wifi on the router is a layer 3 type of communication, we need to make it layer 2, access points are layer 2 wireless)
Remember Wifi on routers 99% of the time are layer 3 type of Wifi, and Accesspoint wireless is layer 2. The PC and routers are layer 3. Switches are Layer2. When I say READYNAS(layer3) to SWITCH(layer2) to PC(layer3) that is only a layer 2 device in between (the readynas is a layer 3 device and the PC is a layer 3 device, but they are not in between the communication stream so it doesnt hurt). Another good communication Stream READYNAS(layer3) to SWITCH(layer2) to ACCESS POINT(layer2) to PC(layer3) = this type of communication will work because there are only layer 2 devices in between :-) The layer 3 devices on the end points dont count. Remember its whats in between that matters.
Again to Recap:
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-PC
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-WIFI-PC
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-SWITCH-PC
bad: READYNAS-ROUTER-ACCESSPOINT-PC
good: READYNAS - SWITCH - PC
good: READYNAS - SWITCH - ACCESS POINT - PC
good: READYNAS - PC
So with that here is the Best Solution:
INTERNET
|
ROUTER
|
SWITCH----Access point
|
|
READYNAS
PC1 and PC2 can connect wired to the Switch or wirelessly to the Access Point and everything will work, time machine will be found becuase bonjour will be discovered.
I hope this helps all of you having issues with NAS to Timemachine Device Not found issues.
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