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SASCHA_SCI
Nov 14, 2016Aspirant
ReadyNas NV+ v2 Booting & 'fault disk' problem - PLEASE HELP (8+ yrs of data/work at risk)
Dear Netgear Support, Dear Community, This is a desperate cry for help from a small business owner worried about potentially loosing 8+ years of work & critical business data. Please help in wha...
SASCHA_SCI
Nov 15, 2016Aspirant
I also came across one post that suggested to take out all disks (numbered by slot) and then insert a 'scratch' (blank?) disk into slot 1 and let the ReadyNas 'reset' itself.
If I understand correctly, (other) user was then able to reinsert his 4 (Raid 5) disks into ReadyNas and read them again as before (no data loss).
Would this perhaps also be (a low risk or preferably no-risk) option in my case? Please advise.
If I understand correctly, (other) user was then able to reinsert his 4 (Raid 5) disks into ReadyNas and read them again as before (no data loss).
Would this perhaps also be (a low risk or preferably no-risk) option in my case? Please advise.
StephenB
Nov 15, 2016Guru - Experienced User
SASCHA_SCI wrote:
I also came across one post that suggested to take out all disks (numbered by slot) and then insert a 'scratch' (blank?) disk into slot 1 and let the ReadyNas 'reset' itself.
The NAS would do a factory install onto the single blank disk, which would give you some assurance that the chassis was ok. It wouldn't accomplish anything else.
If you do try it, make sure you reinsert your disks in the proper order with the NAS powered down.
Though data recovery is an expensive service, you might consider jumping right to there (which would be done by level 3). http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/69/~/readynas%3A-data-recovery-diagnostics---scope-of-service?cid=wmt_netgear_organic
- SASCHA_SCINov 15, 2016AspirantMany thanks again Stephen.I am very surprised to hear that data (on 4 Raid 5 drives) can so easily be lost or become in-accessible from ReadyNas.Surely a couple of booting problems should NOT so easily result in complete data loss?!? And eve if this is a possibility (Neatget hardware & software should guard against it!) - shouldn't all ReadyNas devices carry a major "health-warning" on the chassis?!?Also shouldn't Netgear provide an easier data recovery software and/or built-in option to 'release' or 'salvage data' to save thousands of users some nerves, time and major expense?!I understand there is a Russian company on YouTube offering some software to retrieve data from ReadyNas (Raid 5) hard-drives. See below:-Connect failed Raid 5disks:-Software:-General Analysis:-Does Netgear offer anything like that, or only expensive online/offline data-recovery?By the way Stephen - do you work for Netgear, or are you a volunteer communitee helper?!? I understand that there are some Level 2 & 3 (Netgear paid) contributors on this forum (from Andrew, call center team-leader in Manila).Please advise & many thanks for continued supportSascha
- mdgm-ntgrNov 15, 2016NETGEAR Employee Retired
StephenB is an end user, not an employee.
Our charges for data recovery attempts are quite reasonable. I think the rate is about 200 USD for the initial diagnostics (up to 1hr work performed) at the moment. Support can confirm what the local price is in your country.
You sound overconfident in RAID. No important data should be stored on just the one device.
- SASCHA_SCINov 15, 2016Aspirant
Dear NETGEAR 'Moderator',
Thank you for your reply (have you read all postings above?).
Whilst I was (I am learning the hard way) perhaps slightly overly confident in RAID 5 (4 disks after all!), I now know that it's only ONE device (Netgear ReadyNas) that needs to fail to cause a major problem.
I understand that even if there is NO hardware problem with my ReadyNas & Disks are NOT faulty (very unlikely/impossible for 4 drives to fail at once), that each ReadyNas may run a different version of firmware,
hence each ReadyNas may 'communicate' and read (RAID 5) drives in slightly different way (almost like 'speaking' a different language like one talking in Italian & another in Chinese; i.e. I cannot simply replace ReadyNas hardware/device and plug in may 4 drives & read them!!!!?!).
I am however shocked to learn that you/NetGear do NOT appear to have much confidence in your own ReadyNas products (hardware & software). Surely as a manufacturer you should ensure that even if
your hardware fails, that at least 1 of 4 drives (in RAID 5) can still be read by your customers/user (by using some software and/or USB IDE SATA cable connected to computer) to recover data, without the need for
expensive support (Level 2 or Level 3).
I always thought that was the whole point of having 4 disks (& RAID 5) was to have a 'back-up' if one disk fails. Now it appears that even if none of the drives failed, but only the ReadyNas gliched/failed, that would result in me not having any backup, as sadly there appears to be no (simple) way to read or salvage data from what might (likely) be perfectly health drives!?!
Lesson learned is that NO ONE (none of your customers) should ever trust a NETGEAR READYNAS device more than they should trust a single harddrive plugged into the back of a computer using USB (in fact, data recvovery of an external USB drive would probably be easier, faster & cheaper).
I think NETGEAR has a lot to answer for, in terms of Hardware/Software issues, as well as insufficient Warnings in Manuals AND on ReadyNas devices itself and poorly trained staff (Level 1 support) giving potentially wrong or hazardous advice over the phone. NETGEAR have given me (& probably thousands of others a false sense of security) and it's not made sufficiently clear how stressful, time-consuming and costly data-recovery from a Netgear ReadyNas can be.
I am now left with no other choice but escalating this case to level 2 / level 3 support in the UK (not Philippines!) in the hope that some of the (very professionally trained staff in Cork, such as Stefan) will be able to assist in rebooting & retrieving my data. I am awaiting call from NETGEAR support later today (will advise on this forum if & when case is closed)
Meanwhile If there's anything else NETGEAR can do to help, please let me know ASAP.
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