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demonic1
Dec 28, 2016Star
Status:
Engineering Investigation
Never rebuild a configuration from scratch again!
I understand that a developing product needs updates. Sometimes these updates require changes to what data is expected for an element of the settings config. As a customer, when a firmware update is incompatible with my settings, it is absolutely unacceptable that I would have to re-build my entire config from scratch after updating firmware. Netgear may not be able to update my settings but you should at least give us a tool to fix it. It is NEVER ok to lose a customer’s hard work, that’s just bad business. Here is how we fix it:
- Give us a tool to download the config in a human-readable format. I don’t care if it is TXT, CSV, XLS, or whatever… Just give us something we can work with.
- With every firmware update, the “release notes” should include details of ANY changes to the settings requirements so we know what to adjust in our human-readable files. (ex: “The [setting] field for [control] on [screen] is now restricted to numeric characters.”) This points us directly to a potential problem. Netgear just needs to track such things and release the info with every update.
- Maintain a “white paper” with a list for the requirements/limitations for every settings value. This goes with number 2 above to allow us to fix problems.
- Along with item 1 above, we need to be able to upload this human-readable settings file back to the device.
- Auto settings debugger: When an attempt is made to upload a human-readable settings file, a check should automatically be performed to see if the file being uploaded conforms to the latest established rules. Any errors should be identified with the specific item and what the fault is. In the event of an error, the user should be prompted to override or abort with “abort” as the default. In the event of success, the config is uploaded with a success confirmation.
This isn’t rocket science here. I get that you need to do things that could break my old config. All we are asking is that you give us the tools to fix it. To reiterate my earlier point, “Start over” is NEVER an ok thing to tell a customer.
This one feature set would also solve several other problems:
- uploading a port forwarding list
- maintaining a block list
- revising routing tables
All of these items would be downloaded/uploaded in one shot with the above suggestions.
As an organizational note: If the human-readable download were actually a ZIP file it could contain multible human-readable files where any setting containing lists could actually be seperate files within the ZIP. Maybe all the settings could be broken out into files containing relevant sections instead of a single long list. If you need to take it in small bites, fine. Dump everything into a single human readable file for now, add the error checker later, break the file into smaller relevant pices when you get the time. I don't much care how you break down the task, just give us a took to fix the things you break and provide it sooner rather than later. We need items 1 & 4 yesterday, the rest will be nice when you can get to it.
Thank you for your consideration.
45 Comments
- William10aMaster
Here is a blast from the past a serial port on the router and a term program like in windows 95 that lets read each line of code and make changes.
You can back up your config and restore it after the FW update!
- William10aMaster
From I see if you just update your firmware the basic settings should be the same unless they add a function or remove.
What type of router do you have?
- William10aMaster
Right a now aNetgear wndr3400v1 with dd-wrt firmware just get back from a friend here's a picture of it. Just wait to upgrade to a new router.
The current config backup tool is horribly deficient and nearly useless. Maybe I didn't clearly outline the problem in the first post. There are far too many examples, such as this one:
netgear developers have a bad habit of making changes to settings options that effectively break your "backup" and make it unusable. It seams that netgear refuses to take responsibility for messing everything up and they keep coming back to the same recommendation, "factory re-set and start over". This link is a perfect example of a case where the developers screwed up the code, broke our config backups, and now they expect us to re-do everything from scratch. These cases are precisely why netgear needs to provide us a viable tool-set to fix things when they break them. A human readable config backup is where this begins. As I have said in the past, if the netgear developers think I am going to manually write down page after page after page... of settings and start over from scratch every time they break thing, they are sorely mistaken. I would sooner throw their pile of s--- off a cliff and pony up the cash for a professional router. I would think that providing us the tools to fix the things they break is the least they could do.
- William10aMaster
One possible answer is divide home into classes one with the basic functions , another with nas and same advance router functions and the top of the line serials with every thing in the on it. At least if you update your router with faster one in the same class the control panel should not change other just or two new settng that could filled in.
What are you complaining I do have at normal use between 7-12 devices connected!!
- TonkiniteLuminary
Having the config saved in binary, presumably raw, form means that whenever new features are added, those config files can never be uploaded to older releases. With a text based format (JSON, XML, etc.), this would not be an issue. Have already made this point to engineering.
It's really time for NG to change their way of thinking.