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MacrossMike
Nov 12, 2019Apprentice
RBR50 performance degradation after 2.5.0.38 firmware update
Hi everyone,
Updating my Orbi RBR50 router and RBS50 satellites to the latest firmware release package (2.5.0.38) seems to have resulted in a significant deterioration of my network's performance.
Before I explain further, let's forestall any well-meaning but useless "advice" by noting that I have already tried the usual "Orbi update sucks" diagnostic steps including:
- Factory resets of the Orbi router and all satellites in the network (tried 3x).
- Clean installation of the Orbi router and satellite firmware from the latest-available package on the support portal's downloads area (tried 2x, on 2.5.0.38 and 2.5.0.40 hotfix).
- Verified that the network performance falloff is occurring "south" of the WAN connection between my cable modem and the Orbi RBR50 router via on-router Speed Test, wired connection direct to the cable modem, and independent corroboration via a service call from one of my ISP's service techs to confirm that the network "north" of the cable modem is functioning normally and experiencing no performance falloff.
- Verified that there have been no changes to the configuration or operating environment in which my Orbi system is running except for the update to 2.5.0.38 (and 2.5.0.40). Even the user-configurable settings in the Orbi router were manually reset to what they were before the firmware update.
After the Orbi mobile app announced to me that there was a pending update (2.5.0.38) and I gave it the go-ahead to install said update and then performed a full factory reset because I hadn't forgotten what a pain in the arse previous Orbi updates were, I began to notice a significant degradation in the speed and stability of my home network.
Once my Orbi system was factory resetted and reconfigured post-update, I noticed almost immediately that the network south of the Orbi was significantly slower on 2.5.0.38. The in-router speed test reported (within the usual margins of error) the correct full performance of my cable internet connection: ~360Mbps downstream, ~25Mbps upstream. Speed tests run from client devices (wired AND wireless) on the Orbi network reported virtually identical numbers prior to the 2.5.0.38 update regardless of whether they were connected to a satellite or the router directly. Post-update, both wired and wireless client devices began reporting 30-80% lower speeds on the same speed test client using the same servers.
Other symptoms noted after the update to 2.5.0.38 included periodic spikes in lag and packet-loss rates. Pre-update, my typical ping while gaming online was between 32ms and 37ms. Post-update, my ping now hovers between 44ms and 70ms and jumps (every few minutes) to around 160ms to 250ms with a current record of 890ms. That's bloody unplayable. Also, while running Discord, I noticed my upstream ping (typically around 21ms) jumping to over 250ms every couple minutes accompanied by my packet loss rate going from 0.0% to anywhere from 10-25%.
After multiple factory resets, reinstallations of the firmware, etc., the problem persists. The issue seems to exist in the Orbi itself between the WAN and LAN interfaces. The Orbi's WAN-facing speed test doesn't experience the slowdown seen by the devices connected using gigabit ethernet or 5GHz WiFi, and I confirmed that its speed test is reporting correctly by directly connecting to the modem using gigabit ethernet and by taking the modem out of bridge mode and connecting to its 5GHz WiFi and running the same speed tests to the same servers and getting the expected full performance of my connection.
I don't know if the Orbi has a hidden QoS client running or something along those lines, but something in the 2.5.0.38 (and in the 2.5.0.40 hotfix) firmware is broken to the point that it's preventing connected devices from getting anywhere near the full network speed of the WAN even if they're the only client on the network.
If anyone has any useful advice not on the list above or Netgear needs/wants any relevant logfiles from my system to help with developing a fix, I'm all ears.
So... after reverting my RBR50 and RBS50s to firmware 2.3.5.30, which Netgear considers the last stable release, the network slowdown that came out of nowhere is gone. However, this doesn't cure the random spikes in latency that were driving me absolutely spare. After receiving no meaningful assistance from Netgear's dev team, I've opted to just broom my Orbi setup and replaced it with a more reliable mesh system from another manufacturer. Specifically, the Asus ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 WiFi 6 triple-band system. It's proving to be much more stable than the Orbi was and thus far has offered slightly better performance, though it's about 1 1/2 times the size and looks like a futuristic take on Stonehenge.
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- MacrossMikeApprentice
I should add that the best-case scenario speed test thus far after installing 2.5.0.38 and with no other devices on the network at all is a full 100Mbps slower than my connection's actual speed.
- Retired_Member
Your best bet is to revert your firmware to an earlier version. If you do a search you'll fine that 2.5.0.38 has been beat to death with folks posting the same issue as you.
Anothe tip: STOP performing manual firmware updates.
- MacrossMikeApprentice
Retired_Member wrote:Your best bet is to revert your firmware to an earlier version. If you do a search you'll fine that 2.5.0.38 has been beat to death with folks posting the same issue as you.
I did actually read a number of threads on the subject, though I didn't find any where the poster delved into the actual symptoms in much greater detail than "my network's slow now" so I couldn't be sure it was exactly the same issue. (Do the support people actually read the support community at all, or is this just a venue for commisserating over the apparent incompetence of Netgear's dev team?)
WRT reverting, is it actually possible to revert firmware and have it stay reverted now?
Last time Netgear released a firmware build this disgracefully broken, the only way to stop the Orbi from automatically reinstalling the bad firmware after a reversion was to telnet into the system configuration using ExtraPuTTY and manually turn off the update bit to protect the system from the update for a day or so at most. That was just more stress than it was worth.
For now, I've worked around the problem by shifting speed-sensitive tasks to a node upstream of the Orbi.
Please, make contact with NG support and file a support ticket:
https://www.netgear.com/mynetgear/registration/login.aspx
What are you ISP Speeds UP and down that you pay for?
Others have reported having problems with getting anything near 900Mbps WAN to LAN on wired speeds:
- MacrossMikeApprentice
FURRYe38 wrote:What are you ISP Speeds UP and down that you pay for?
Others have reported having problems with getting anything near 900Mbps WAN to LAN on wired speeds:
As noted in my original post, my ISP's connection provides a downstream of 360Mbps and an upstream of 25Mbps.
With the (buggy-as-f*ck) current firmware (2.5.0.38 and 2.5.0.40), both WiFi and wired connections display performance losses of 30% or more.
FURRYe38 wrote:Please, make contact with NG support and file a support ticket:
The MyNetgear support site does not offer any option to file a support ticket.
All it offers are links to this community section, which has thus far proved to be pretty useless, and a blatant plug for "premium support" which would be a ripoff at a quarter the price.
I think this is a bug that has been plaguing Orbi for a while now. Just not in recent FW builds. This has been on going for a while now.
I haven't seen any slow downs with v38 loaded. I need to load up v40 and test again. I presume I'll probably see the same thing. I do factory resets before and after loading code then setup from scratch and speed test. Even after completing my configuration, speeds are solid on my RBK50 system, 200/10. I don't see any slow downs from the RBR or RBS. My RBR is in a basement area about 30 feet away from the RBR thru two floors. C7800 modem in modem mode only.
You can contact the forum Moderators and ask about this and precent them with your findings and logs please:
I'll be loading up v40 and checking again soon.
MacrossMike wrote:
FURRYe38 wrote:What are you ISP Speeds UP and down that you pay for?
Others have reported having problems with getting anything near 900Mbps WAN to LAN on wired speeds:
As noted in my original post, my ISP's connection provides a downstream of 360Mbps and an upstream of 25Mbps.
With the (buggy-as-f*ck) current firmware (2.5.0.38 and 2.5.0.40), both WiFi and wired connections display performance losses of 30% or more.
FURRYe38 wrote:Please, make contact with NG support and file a support ticket:
The MyNetgear support site does not offer any option to file a support ticket.
All it offers are links to this community section, which has thus far proved to be pretty useless, and a blatant plug for "premium support" which would be a ripoff at a quarter the price.
- Wire1852Apprentice
How many times must this be said to correct @FURRYe38?
You can only file a ticket with Netgear on product problems in the first 90 days of ownership unless you buy 2 year contract in the first 90 days.
from the Netgear Website - *The Extended Warranty and Extended Warranty and Support plans only apply to supported NETGEAR products purchased from an authorized NETGEAR reseller. Available to any new or existing customers (US only) within 90 days of product purchase.
FURRYe38 wrote:
Please, make contact with NG support and file a support ticket:
https://www.netgear.com/mynetgear/registration/login.aspx
Since I don't know when users purchased there systems, I have zero idea what there warranty status is nor will I ask. It's up to users to check there status and get in contact with NG support, if there warranties are over, then contacting one of the forum moderators to get options is recommended. I don't work for NG so I don't have warranty status access for users.
We troubleshoot here in the forums only. If we exhaust all troubleshooting efforts, then users need to seek help from NG support.
Good Luck.
Wire1852 wrote:How many times must this be said to correct @FURRYe38?
You can only file a ticket with Netgear on product problems in the first 90 days of ownership unless you buy 2 year contract in the first 90 days.
from the Netgear Website - *The Extended Warranty and Extended Warranty and Support plans only apply to supported NETGEAR products purchased from an authorized NETGEAR reseller. Available to any new or existing customers (US only) within 90 days of product purchase.
FURRYe38 wrote:
Please, make contact with NG support and file a support ticket:
https://www.netgear.com/mynetgear/registration/login.aspx