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AzJazz
Apprentice
Sep 17, 2017

Streaming problems with Orbi Firmware versions v1.12.0.18 and v2.0.0.72

Hi, guys ... This community has been a great help to me, and I thought I'd pay it back now. :smileyhappy:

I have had a random media streaming issue that started about a month ago. Netflix, Amazon, and HBO Go all started having momentary buffering issues, and the longer I would stream, the more frequent the buffering would occur. It was all very random, though. Casting through Chromecast (via WiFi) was the worst, but my Amazon FireTV box (hardwired, 100BaseT) also had the problem but to a lesser extent. Sometimes, my Chromecast would even drop the connection during streaming.

 

I have a 150 Mbps down / 12 Mbps up internet connection, with 20 msec of latency. My internet connection reads that pretty consistently. I should have plenty of bandwidth.


I spent a lot of time blaming my cable company. They have usually been the culprit in the past. But they have said that they see a perfect connection, and no bit errors are being reported by my cable modem.

 

So, today I tried diagnosing every piece of the data chain. At one point, I tried hard-wiring my Amazon FireTV box to my cable modem instead of going through the Orbi router ... and, I didn't see the buffering issue anymore!


Sure enough, when I reconected my Orbi (loaded with v2.0.0.72 at the time), the buffering issue reappeared on my FireTV. I tried erasing all the Orbi settings and reconfiguring my Orbi from scratch, and it didn't help - The buffering still occurred.

 

I realized that the buffering issue probably started after I received the v1.12.0.18 firmware around a month or so ago. I definitely was having this problem before the v2.0.0.72 update from a few days ago. So, I went to the previous load before that (v.1.11.0.20).

 

And, with v1.11.0.20 reinstalled, my streaming buffering issues have disappeared! :smileyvery-happy:

 

Firmware v1.11.0.20 Downgrade Instructions: 

 

  1. Download the Orbi Base Firmware: Here. Download the Orbi Satellite Firmware: Here. Unzip these and save the .IMG files to a local hard drive - You don't want to save to a network drive, since you'll be messing with your network during this process.
  2. In order to go back to v1.11.0.20, you will first need to disable all Netgear updates on your Orbi. The instructions to disable Orbi updates are located here. (Note: Regardless of what the rest of that post says, blocking downloads.netgear.com on the router didn't work for me. Neither did the manual update process.). This is important. If you don't disable updates before downgrading your Orbi, your Orbi will automatically update back to v.1.12.0.18 within a minute or two after you go through the initial Orbi setup, and you'll have to start over again. Note: You may need to enable the Telnet Client Windows Feature in your Windows "Programs and Features" control panel to get a working telnet command in your command window.
  3. Once the Orbi updates are disabled, install the v1.11.0.20 firmware onto your Orbi satellites first (Advanced >> Administration >> Firmware Update >> Manual Update). Loading the satellites first is important, since you may lose connection to the satellites if you load your Orbi base first. You'll get a warning about the downgrade, but that's OK.
  4. After all your Orbi satellites have been loaded, load your Orbi base unit with the v1.11.0.20 firmware. Again, You'll get a warning about the downgrade, but that's OK.
  5. Once the Orbi base was loaded and came back up, I erased all my configuration settings to be on the safe side (Advanced >> Administration >> Backup Settings >> Erase). It's your option whether you should clear your settings - they may be incompatible, so don't get upset if your Orbi starts acting weird if you don't.
  6. Go through the Orbi initial setup. Note: I had to power off / on my satellite before going through the Orbi setup, and retry by going back a few pages before my satellite was properly recognized by the base.

Hopefully this works for you, too!

 

I don't know what Netgear implemented in v1.12.0.18 that causes this streaming buffering issue. It could be difficult for them to diagnose, since normal speed tests work just fine. The problem must be at a very low level though, since it affects both wired and WiFi connections.

 

I guess I won't be upgrading my Orbi again untill I see a fix for the streaming issue in a future firmware upgrade release note.


Cheers!

AzJazz

52 Replies

  • Quick Q - do you have to create a VLAN under Advanced Settings, VLAN/Bridge Settings, to connect with your ISP? 

    • AzJazz's avatar
      AzJazz
      Apprentice

      No, I have 


      bigfellanz wrote:

      Quick Q - do you have to create a VLAN under Advanced Settings, VLAN/Bridge Settings, to connect with your ISP? 


      Hi, bigfellanz - Quick A: Nope, nothing special about my connection to my ISP.. Just plug in the RJ-45 Ethernet cable, and I'm good to go. :manhappy:

      • martyfp's avatar
        martyfp
        Luminary

        Have you ever run the Speedtest that is built into the orbi ?   Many people (including myself)  have reported strange behaviour after this has been run.   It seems like it initiates some form of dynamic-QoS which can cause some issues.

  • Same here! After updating seeing streaming issues constantly on YouTube, apple tv mirroring, and facebook videos. Also have noticed couple times it disconnects. I was told supposedly today or tomorrow or next we should expect a new firmware👍. We’ll see I guess
    • aaz's avatar
      aaz
      Virtuoso

      Sevo123 wrote:
      Same here! After updating seeing streaming issues constantly on YouTube, apple tv mirroring, and facebook videos. Also have noticed couple times it disconnects. I was told supposedly today or tomorrow or next we should expect a new firmware👍. We’ll see I guess

      Have you tried turning off UPnP, I was experiencing something similar to you until I did that. Drops every 5 minutes or less really impacting streaming and other connecitons. It's been stable for me after that for a while now.

  • I am having this issue as well and I did everything to make it work. Download and Upload are working fine but as soon as I try to play a movie (streaming) it starts caching and buffering. This never happened before with my old router. The netgear nas is directly wired to the orbi router and even the raspberry pi (kodi) are connected directly. The orbi router is connected to the ISP modem so everything is perfectly done. But for some reason it still halts and cache all the time. I think we need a good update for this as it's really frustrating how it is. Thanks.

    • DarrenM's avatar
      DarrenM
      Sr. NETGEAR Moderator

      Hello adriedeba

       

      What firmware version are you on and what orbi model are you using?

       

      DarrenM

      • Beobachter's avatar
        Beobachter
        Tutor

        I also habe this issue with my Orbi Router RBR20 and Satellites RBS20. Changed the system to Orbi a view days ago and never had this problem bevore with my old router:

        Streaming stops every view seconds or is interrupred with:

        - Netgear Arlo Pro

        - Netgear Arlo Q (and Q Plus)

        - Harman/Kadon Omni 10 and Omni 20 wifi Speakers

        - Amazon alexa for radio streaming

        - Ring Video Doorbell 2

         

        The reason for this must be Orbi. Firmware V2.1.4.10

    • _Mac's avatar
      _Mac
      Tutor

      Thanks for FW update info and it will probably help others.

       

      But I gave up on Netgear Orbi Pro a long time ago (after almost 6 months of trying to fix the issues together w NG support). Switched to Linksys Velop system (recommended by Apple) instead and never had any more problems since then...

      • FURRYe38's avatar
        FURRYe38
        Guru - Experienced User

        This FW is for the Orbi and not the Orbi Pro. Completely differnet system.


        _Mac wrote:

        Thanks for FW update info and it will probably help others.

         

        But I gave up on Netgear Orbi Pro a long time ago (after almost 6 months of trying to fix the issues together w NG support). Switched to Linksys Velop system (recommended by Apple) instead and never had any more problems since then...


         

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    Yes. Trying to see if the NAS and DVR and streaming run ok thru the router. If it does, then there maybe problem betwen these devices and the satellite in the mix...Trying to narrow down where that maybe...

    Any chance of wire connecting the satellite with out the switch in the mix? Would be something else to try...

    • LivinTheDream55's avatar
      LivinTheDream55
      Aspirant

      The NAS is plugged directly into the satellite.  It always glitches.

      I plugged the DVR directly into the router, and it still glitches.

      • FURRYe38's avatar
        FURRYe38
        Guru - Experienced User

        Can you get the NAS and DVR connected on the router together and test?

  • FURRYe38's avatar
    FURRYe38
    Guru - Experienced User

    Trying to see if the NAS and DVR work while streaming thru the router instead of the satellite.

    You might consider getting a non managed network switch into the mix and segment the network so you have the NAS and DVR on the same segment. Switches are good for this and help greatly.

     

    • LivinTheDream55's avatar
      LivinTheDream55
      Aspirant

      I took Beobachter's advice and replaced it with a Velop.  I'm still testing, but it looks like all of my problems are resolved.

      • Innosoljim's avatar
        Innosoljim
        Aspirant

        I’m having streaming issues with my wired and wireless set up. My Googlefiber Router has WiFi and can easily stream with all of the same devices. Firmware is updated and the issue persisted. Please help - RBR20 with two RBS20’s