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sweetgerald
Sep 21, 2022Aspirant
RBR750 router with CM1200 modem - unpredictable and intermittent network speed drops
Hi
Posting this here because I'm at a loss for where to go next. For period of 6 weeks I've experienced network issues where download speeds will drop to single digit Mbps or less. Sometimes completely 0 down. Symptoms are usually that some streaming service is buffering or my work laptop starts spinning on a page, or slack messaging or emails cannot send or receive. When I've noticed this, I quickly hit a speed test (fast dot com, or speakeasy speed test usually) which confirms single digit speeds... briefly, but then sometimes within seconds or a minute or two (after doing a couple speed tests), the wifi speed is then reading several hundred down again.
I've also done speed tests within the router admin interface. A couple times, it has shown a message indicating it couldn't receive anything from the modem, or something to that effect.
Xfinity is my ISP. I pay for 900Mbps down, 20 up. (The upload speed never seems to be affected at least via speed test).
Orbi RBR750 router with 1 satellite, firmware version V4.6.9.11_2.3.5
Nighthawk CM1200 modem (I don't know how to check firmware version of this)
Have had this configuration for almost 8 months with no issue, before this has started happening for the past 6 weeks.
I've had Xfinity out twice. First time, the tech reconfigured some cabling outdoors after detecting "interference". Second time, the tech reconfigured some cabling indoors after detecting "interference". Both times, after a period of prolonged disconnect while they were working on the cabling, the network was stable as expected for days, and in the second case, a couple weeks. Now I'm noticing it again. Xfinity support this time detected no signal issues from their remote testing, and suggested the modem needs a firmware update, and doesn't want to send a tech out again. Per the NetGear site (and confirmed, by calling NetGear support) that Xfinity is supposed to manage firmware updates for this modem. Is that correct? I informed the representative as such, and his response was to ask NetGear support because "they'll know what to do." I don't want to necessarily pay for a NetGear technical support contract until I have exhausted all other options, or I'm convinced they'll actually be able to help. The rep I spoke with from NetGear had me look at the lights on the modem as a way of determining if the hardware was working properly. Surprise, it was, according to green lights.
I've made sure the modem is connected directly to wall power, just in case there was a faulty power supply issue in the surge protector I had been using for 8 months without issue. The router is still plugged into a power strip, if that matters. I'm beginning to wonder if there is indeed an issue with the modem.
Thanks
G
15 Replies
- sweetgeraldAspirant
I should note, I'm not exactly well versed in networking and configuration. I know enough that I can work my way around what is needed if anyone can provide some guidance.
Not sure if I put this in the first post, but I have noticed the worst of network degradation later in the evening (after 10:00pm EST) when on more than one occasion I could not use the Xbox (hard wired to the router) online and another where Netflix (streaming on the TV via wifi) was constantly stopping to buffer.
Those are the worst cases of this. I work from home, so constantly on the network. During the day I'll see periodic drops in speed, sometimes as long as 5-10 minutes. Sometimes just 10-15 seconds.
No pattern. No predictability.
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
Modem:
Please post a copy and paste of the modems connection status and event log page.
https://kb.netgear.com/30007/How-do-I-obtain-the-cable-connection-information-from-a-NETGEAR-cable-modem-modem-router
https://kb.netgear.com/30008/How-do-I-view-or-clear-the-event-logs-on-my-NETGEAR-cable-modem-or-modem-routerBe sure your using a good quality LAN cable between the modem and router. CAT6 is recommended.
Be sure there are no coax cable line splitters in the between the modem and ISP service box.
Be sure your using good quality RG6 coax cable up to the modem.
Be sure to power OFF the modem for 1 minute then back ON.
https://community.netgear.com/t5/Cable-Modems-Routers/General-info-and-Troubleshooting-for-Cable-Modems/m-p/1530376#M12853
https://kb.netgear.com/24311/Power-level-guidelines-for-a-NETGEAR-cable-modem-router?article=24311
https://www.duckware.com/tech/solving-intermittent-cable-modem-issues.htmlOrbi:
Be sure your using a good quality LAN cable between the modem and router. CAT6 is recommended.
What is the size of your home? Sq Ft?
What is the distance between the router and 📡 satellite(s)? 30 feet or more is recommended in between RBR and RBS📡 to begin with depending upon building materials when wirelessly connected.
https://kb.netgear.com/31029/Where-should-I-place-my-Orbi-satellite 📡
https://kb.netgear.com/000061709/Where-should-I-place-the-Mesh-WiFi-satellite-of-my-Nighthawk-Mesh-WiFi-6-and-Tri-band-Mesh-WiFi-6-products 📡What channels are you using? Auto? Try Auto and 48 on 5Ghz. Or try setting manual channel 1, 6 or 11 on 2.4Ghz and 40 to 48 channel on 5Ghz.
Any Wifi Neighbors near by? If so, how many?Has a power off for 1 minute then back ON with the ISP modem and router been performed since last update?
Be sure to restart your network in this sequence:
Turn off and unplug modem.
Turn off router and computers.
Plug in and turn on modem. Wait 2 minutes for it to connect.
Turn on the router and wait 2 minutes for it to connect.
Turn on computers and rest of network.Has a factory reset and setup from scratch been performed since last FW update?
I just had my CM1200 online for a few weeks up until last weekend with my 8 series system. Smooth operation between these two.
- sweetgeraldAspirant
Cable Connection:
Frequency start Value This field below allows you to modify the frequency the cable modem start with its scan during initialization and registration. Enter the new start frequency and restart the cable modem for it to take effect. Starting Frequency Startup Procedure
Procedure Status Comment Acquire Downstream Channel 423000000 Hz Locked Connectivity State OK Operational Boot State OK Operational Security Enabled BPI+ IP Provisioning Mode Honor MDD honorMdd(4) Downstream Bonded Channels
Channel Lock Status Modulation Channel ID Frequency Power SNR Correctables Uncorrectables 1 Locked QAM256 4 423000000 Hz 1.6 dBmV 43.5 dB 0 0 2 Locked QAM256 1 405000000 Hz 2.5 dBmV 44 dB 0 0 3 Locked QAM256 2 411000000 Hz 2.4 dBmV 43.8 dB 0 0 4 Locked QAM256 3 417000000 Hz 2 dBmV 43.7 dB 0 0 5 Locked QAM256 5 429000000 Hz 1.4 dBmV 43.3 dB 1 0 6 Locked QAM256 6 435000000 Hz 1.2 dBmV 43.2 dB 2 0 7 Locked QAM256 7 441000000 Hz 1 dBmV 43.1 dB 1 0 8 Locked QAM256 8 447000000 Hz 1 dBmV 43.1 dB 2 0 9 Locked QAM256 9 453000000 Hz 1.1 dBmV 43.1 dB 0 0 10 Locked QAM256 10 459000000 Hz 1.1 dBmV 43.1 dB 0 0 11 Locked QAM256 11 465000000 Hz 1.1 dBmV 43 dB 0 0 12 Locked QAM256 12 471000000 Hz 1.1 dBmV 43 dB 0 0 13 Locked QAM256 13 477000000 Hz 1 dBmV 42.9 dB 0 0 14 Locked QAM256 14 483000000 Hz 0.9 dBmV 42.9 dB 1 0 15 Locked QAM256 15 489000000 Hz 1 dBmV 42.8 dB 2 0 16 Locked QAM256 16 495000000 Hz 0.9 dBmV 42.8 dB 2 0 17 Locked QAM256 17 507000000 Hz 0.6 dBmV 42.5 dB 2 0 18 Locked QAM256 18 513000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 42.5 dB 1 0 19 Locked QAM256 19 519000000 Hz 0.4 dBmV 42.5 dB 0 0 20 Locked QAM256 20 525000000 Hz 0.3 dBmV 42.4 dB 1 0 21 Locked QAM256 21 531000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 42.3 dB 2 0 22 Locked QAM256 22 537000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 42.3 dB 3 0 23 Locked QAM256 23 543000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 42.4 dB 0 0 24 Locked QAM256 24 549000000 Hz 0.2 dBmV 42.4 dB 2 0 25 Locked QAM256 25 555000000 Hz 0.3 dBmV 42.5 dB 3 0 26 Locked QAM256 26 561000000 Hz 0.4 dBmV 42.5 dB 2 0 27 Locked QAM256 27 567000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 42.5 dB 2 0 28 Locked QAM256 28 573000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 42.6 dB 3 0 29 Locked QAM256 29 579000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 42.6 dB 0 0 30 Locked QAM256 30 585000000 Hz 0.4 dBmV 42.6 dB 1 0 31 Locked QAM256 31 591000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 42.7 dB 1 0 32 Locked QAM256 32 597000000 Hz 0.5 dBmV 42.6 dB 0 0 Upstream Bonded Channels
Channel Lock Status US Channel Type Channel ID Symbol Rate Frequency Power 1 Locked ATDMA 1 5120 Ksym/sec 35600000 Hz 50.8 dBmV 2 Locked ATDMA 2 5120 Ksym/sec 29200000 Hz 50.3 dBmV 3 Locked ATDMA 3 5120 Ksym/sec 22800000 Hz 49.8 dBmV 4 Locked ATDMA 4 5120 Ksym/sec 16400000 Hz 49.5 dBmV 5 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 6 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 7 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV 8 Not Locked Unknown 0 0 Ksym/sec 0 Hz 0.0 dBmV Downstream OFDM Channels
Channel Lock
StatusModulation /
Profile IDChannel
IDFrequency Power SNR /
MERActive Subcarrier
Number RangeUnerrored
CodewordsCorrectable
CodewordsUncorrectable
Codewords1 Locked 0 ,1 ,2 ,3 193 678000000 Hz -3.2 dBmV 40.5 dB 1108 ~ 2987 600103421 353012746 329 2 Not Locked 0 0 0 Hz 0 dBmV 0.0 dB 0 ~ 4095 0 0 0 Upstream OFDMA Channels
Channel Lock Status Modulation / Profile ID Channel ID Frequency Power 1 Not Locked 0 0 0 Hz 0 dBmV 2 Not Locked 0 0 0 Hz 0 dBmV Extended Upstream Transmit PowerEnable Extended Upstream Transmit Power
Current System Time:Wed Sep 21 10:06:34 2022System Up Time:2 days 00:43:54
- sweetgeraldAspirant
Event Log
Time Priority Description Wed Sep 21 10:09:04 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Tue Sep 20 23:38:34 2022 Warning (5) Dynamic Range Window violation Tue Sep 20 23:38:34 2022 Warning (5) RNG-RSP CCAP Commanded Power Exceeds Value Corresponding to the Top of the DRW;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Tue Sep 20 23:38:31 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Mon Sep 19 09:23:41 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 5; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: N/A.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Mon Sep 19 09:23:20 2022 Notice (6) DS profile assignment change. DS Chan ID: 32; Previous Profile: ; New Profile: 1 2 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Mon Sep 19 09:23:15 2022 Notice (6) TLV-11 - unrecognized OID;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Time Not Established Notice (6) Honoring MDD; IP provisioning mode = IPv6 Time Not Established Critical (3) SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Sun Sep 18 09:15:54 2022 Notice (6) DS profile assignment change. DS Chan ID: 32; Previous Profile: ; New Profile: 1 2 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Sun Sep 18 09:15:49 2022 Notice (6) TLV-11 - unrecognized OID;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Time Not Established Notice (6) Honoring MDD; IP provisioning mode = IPv6 Time Not Established Critical (3) SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Fri Sep 09 17:36:16 2022 Warning (5) Dynamic Range Window violation Fri Sep 09 17:36:16 2022 Warning (5) RNG-RSP CCAP Commanded Power Exceeds Value Corresponding to the Top of the DRW;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Fri Sep 09 17:36:15 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Fri Sep 09 15:44:56 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 24; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Fri Sep 09 15:44:38 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Fri Sep 09 15:44:16 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 16; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Fri Sep 09 15:44:06 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 18:16:12 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 24; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 18:15:43 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 16; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 18:12:40 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:50:15 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 5; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: N/A.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:49:55 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:49:45 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 5; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: N/A.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:49:24 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:48:55 2022 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:48:48 2022 Notice (6) DS profile assignment change. DS Chan ID: 32; Previous Profile: ; New Profile: 1 2 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:48:47 2022 Notice (6) TLV-11 - unrecognized OID;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:48:39 2022 Notice (6) Honoring MDD; IP provisioning mode = IPv6 Wed Sep 07 09:48:06 2022 Critical (3) SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:47:28 2022 Warning (5) MDD message timeout;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:47:27 2022 Critical (3) SYNC Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing;;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:47:18 2022 Notice (6) CM-STATUS message sent. Event Type Code: 5; Chan ID: 193; DSID: N/A; MAC Addr: N/A; OFDM/OFDMA Profile ID: N/A.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:47:16 2022 Critical (3) Started Unicast Maintenance Ranging - No Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:46:35 2022 Critical (3) No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:46:29 2022 Notice (6) DS profile assignment change. DS Chan ID: 32; Previous Profile: ; New Profile: 1 2 3.;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Wed Sep 07 09:46:24 2022 Notice (6) TLV-11 - unrecognized OID;CM-MAC=9c:c9:eb:34:e4:a0;CMTS-MAC=00:90:f0:29:00:00;CM-QOS=1.1;CM-VER=3.1; Time Not Established Notice (6) Honoring MDD; IP provisioning mode = IPv6 - FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
A few Correctables however not bad. Those could be a slight cable issue, bad connector or fitting or maybe a splitter.
I see Criticals that the ISP could look into. Check those warnings as well.
- sweetgeraldAspirant
Regarding cables:
- using the LAN cables that came with the hardware (modem/router).
- no splitters as far as I know, from the ISP box to the modem (Xfinity tech did bypass some old stuff from previous homeowner's installation, on the morning of 9/7).
- Xfinity tech said the coax running up to modem was functioning well - it's in an enclosed finished room so I dont have easy access to replace anyway.
Regarding power:
- I've power cycled modem/router many times in the past month (including after firmware updates)
Regarding home details
- 2600 sqft, spread across 3 stories. Roughly 900 sqft/floor
- router and satellite are on different floors, opposite corners of the square-shaped house
- far enough away from other houses that I cannot pick up anyone else's wifi, if that is what you mean by wifi neighbors
Regarding configuration:
- using out of the box channels (not familiar with it enough to have changed anything).
- I have not power cycled again since I noticed there was a satellite firmware update this morning, that I had not noticed before. Just updated the satellite RBS750 to same firmware as the router.
- i have not done a factory reset and scratch setup since I had it configured and set up initially 8 months ago. Thought about it, but there's never a convenient time to do it.
- FURRYe38Guru - Experienced User
sweetgerald wrote:
Regarding cables:
- using the LAN cables that came with the hardware (modem/router). <CAT6 is recommended.
- no splitters as far as I know, from the ISP box to the modem (Xfinity tech did bypass some old stuff from previous homeowner's installation, on the morning of 9/7).
- Xfinity tech said the coax running up to modem was functioning well - it's in an enclosed finished room so I dont have easy access to replace anyway.
Regarding power:
- I've power cycled modem/router many times in the past month (including after firmware updates)
Regarding home details
- 2600 sqft, spread across 3 stories. Roughly 900 sqft/floor
- router and satellite are on different floors, opposite corners of the square-shaped house, <What is the distance between the RBR and RBS?
- far enough away from other houses that I cannot pick up anyone else's wifi, if that is what you mean by wifi neighbors
Regarding configuration:
- using out of the box channels (not familiar with it enough to have changed anything). <Try setting channel 1 and 40 on the RBR. Also set 40Mhz only Under Advanced Tab/Advanced Settings/Wireless Settings. I would also maybe set the power to 50% as well.
- I have not power cycled again since I noticed there was a satellite firmware update this morning, that I had not noticed before. Just updated the satellite RBS750 to same firmware as the router. <Be sure that if FW updates are available that the RBS set updated first then the RBR lastly.
- i have not done a factory reset and scratch setup since I had it configured and set up initially 8 months ago. Thought about it, but there's never a convenient time to do it. <I recommend giving this a try on the entire system and setup from scratch.
- Ensure the laptops wifi and ethernet adapter drivers are fully up to date as well.