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ensign_fodder
Aug 19, 2011Tutor
A sad tale of ProSupport woe with ReadyNAS Pro Pioneer!
So I bought and equipped a ReadyNAS Pro Pioneer (6 Bay BYOD) NAS 7/2/2010 and added the ProSupport 24x7 Support and Maintenance upgrade.
Overall I have been pleased with the unit (started with 4 x 1TB 7.2K added 2 more, then converted over to 1.5 TB drives over a few months) as a CIFS/UNC NAS device. Tried iSCSI for VMware but the performance was not there but I teamed the NIC's so it maybe an issue of the overall congestion on the single interface.
What I have not been pleased about is the long wait times to reach a ProSupport tech, the times that the person answering was not in the storage group and had to put me back on hold till someone was available, that I cannot communicate with the phone support via the my.netgear.com section except to upload files, and that I cannot email the tech so I have to use the telephone which circles me back to the top of this set of complaints.
Original Unit - Hardware/backplane failure
It took three separate cases to get me back to an operation state.
Overall I have been pleased with the unit (started with 4 x 1TB 7.2K added 2 more, then converted over to 1.5 TB drives over a few months) as a CIFS/UNC NAS device. Tried iSCSI for VMware but the performance was not there but I teamed the NIC's so it maybe an issue of the overall congestion on the single interface.
What I have not been pleased about is the long wait times to reach a ProSupport tech, the times that the person answering was not in the storage group and had to put me back on hold till someone was available, that I cannot communicate with the phone support via the my.netgear.com section except to upload files, and that I cannot email the tech so I have to use the telephone which circles me back to the top of this set of complaints.
Original Unit - Hardware/backplane failure
It took three separate cases to get me back to an operation state.
- 16134961 RMA
- 16143235 Closed without my knowledge once phone call was complete
- 16144283 Additional help in getting resync to complete
How it went down
7/14/2011 - See dead drive on Web UI (no messages/alert had been sent) and swap in cold spare, I am running X2 with single redundancy.
From Ticket/Tracking log for case # 16134961 Was doing maintenance on a user password and noticed on the volume tab (web interface) that there was a dead volume. Swapped cold spare for failed member but system did not detect and rebuild. ~ 10 minutes after swap the system popped the dead drive warning, sent email, and such.
Your RMA request for ReadyNASRNDP600E[XXXXXXXXXXXXX] has been approved by NETGEAR.
Your RMA number is: XXXXXXX
Completed RMA process 5:28 PM 7/14/2011
When I asked about when I would have the replacement unit the support tech was a little rude and really could not have cared said "Since the RMA was not processed or approved until after 5 PM EST the warehouse would not ship it until Friday for Monday delivery. When I explained that the only reason it was after 5 EST was due to the hold time, he said "Its not like we can make the shipping department work overtime to get your unit out."
Kimroth Y. at Tracelogix who actually handles the RMA for NetGear was absolutely outstanding! Kimroth was the person on the other end of the phone when I called the the RMA status phone number not realizing I was talking to someone at another company. When I explained my issue she explained how the process and procedures ensured I would not get my replacement before Monday. I begged and pleaded a little and she agreed to talk to her boss and see what could be done. From that point on she worked to make it happen, called to let me know it was going to ship, and sent me tracking information so I could follow it to my door.
Once I had the replacement unit I had a great number of issues with the migration to the replacement unit due to incompatible firmware version and eventually had to put the "dead" drive back in the NAS and get it to build consistency across all drives before I could migrate.
From Ticket/Tracking log for case # 16143235 Verify migration - just move drives in same slots, need to pull down configuration from website (currently does not complete), etc...?
*NOTE: Need to bring replacement drive firmware up to 4.2.17 to match existing chassis.
OS/Configs are RAID'ed across drives in hidden partition so migrating the drives migrates settings and such
Currently 60 minutes in to resync after power cycle of unit 0% progress
if no progress after 120 shutdown unit and move "hot" drives only then once running add "cold" spare
If progresses then wait until complete and shutdown unit and move all drives
Waited past 120 minutes and when 0% complete told unit to shutdown.
Waited 30 minutes and now device is not responsive to web admin but front says "shutting down 0.2% Resync" so I assume it will have to sync to shut down.
From Ticket/Tracking log for case # 16144283 Unable to boot replacement unit with a single drive inserted.
Unable to boot replacement unit with five drives.
Replaced drive and allowed to rebuild redundancy
RAID sync started on volume C.
[Fri Jul 15 17:51:52 EDT 2011]
RAID scrubbing finished on volume C.
[Sat Jul 16 17:48:04 EDT 2011]
So at this point I am back in business with a new chassis and life is good.
Till today when same situation of NAS not being available via CIFS/UNC
How it went down
From Ticket/Tracking log for case # 16458558 Unit was not responding via UNC path
Tried web interface and was able to log in but it never fully painted screen/UI
Went and tried various short pushes of power button without any effect
Did a long press of power button until unit shut down
Powered unit back on and watched boot process
When boot/sync completed displayed dead drive
Logged into web interface and confirmed issue
Still no email notice from the unit about issue
23+ minutes of hold time on ProSupport line until being dumped into voice mail
Called normal support line - had to work to get to case number and agent insisted they would get me to a person - several times on hold
Call time +15 - Told by agent that she cannot keep me on hold any longer but she will pass me to the ProSupport line and write up an escalation ticket to make sure someone picks up the call or if no one does someone will call me back.
Unit not responding on web interface but RAIDar showns unit - still able to access file shares
Call time +27 minutes - Dumped into ProSupport voice mail
Rebooting device and swapping disk 5 with prior disk 5 - which passes all Mfg Disk Tool test.
Unit "passed" Disk 5 which had only had SMART error previously but is one that "failed" in prior unit
Received emails from unit about removal/replacement
Resynching on "new" drive but unable to access Web UI
3 1/2 hours since first issue - no response from support.
4 1/2 hours since first issue - no response from support.
I decide to call the ProSupport line again and open web ticket #16460006
Within a minute of submission of web ticket agent on ProSupport line answered.
Tech was friendly and apologetic about prior issues and repeated failures to reach support and assured me he was going to work and resolve the case.
After going over what had happened today (and previously on prior unit) and asking several questions the only guess at cause is a corrupted OS image that made it over from the prior system and I should reload from the flash OS on device which I cannot do until the resynch is complete.
From Ticket/Tracking log for case # 16458558
Wait for full sync and then reload Firmware 4.2.17 then do OS reload on device (4.2.19 Beta T4 is on forums)
So all told today I have spent hours listing to how much NetGear cares and how an agent will be with me in just a moment.
I will update as the recover/restoration completes.
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- Update on Sept 7th "drive dead"
Data consistency was built (on swapped drive - same as "dead" drive) Thu Sep 8 16:42:13 EDT 2011 but due to re-racking servers and equipment (to avoid consistency re-build interrupted by power outage) the new drive was not added until 9/12 and consistency was rebuilt and conpleted Tue Sep 13 05:35:11 EDT 2011
Swapped previously used but test OK Seagate ST31500341AS out and New Seagate ST32000641AS in and will continue to monitor the drive stats for any abnormalities. - 9/18- Received notices from Esxpress - Backup still running - Determined ReadyNas is not responding to CIFS/HTTP - multiple short button pushes on front of device did not "wake it up" or produce any results
Pro Support is West Coast and does not start until 9:00 EST (6 AM PST)
Called back @ 9:25 and answered by - Agent #5105 - French accent
Asked to power off unit (hard off) and when I expressed concern about loosing log data helpful to resolving the problem I was told not to worry that we would be able to recover that once restarted.
Did as requested and emailed log bundle for review.
------------FROM REVIEW OF LOGS-------------------------------------------
Claimed we were running Beta 4.2.19 when running gold since Sept 7th
Told everything was fine with device but when pressed for why it was locked and non-responsive no explanation
Asked about network topology and other filler issues
Was told that the problem was a CIFS file transfer was too large and that is what caused the problem
Advised to wait and see what is the problem since it is "working now" but will not escalate - Told him that this behavior is the same as prior ticket #16458558 and after reviewing he said that was not the case.
When I reiterated that it was and asked to be escalated he said said no, that the unit was responding properly now and I would have to wait for the next occurrence of the problem. I asked to know when Agent #5040 was on shift and was told he was already but was unavailable and I should try back in an hour or so. I requested that he update the case with his notes and pass a request to #5040 to call me when he was available. #5105 said he would and the call was ended with niceties @ 10:37 (~70 minutes) - So now I have someone who is clearly a top support/engineering individual working on the problem. He roots around the NAS and makes a couple of simultaneous changes (listed at bottom) and asks me to make a backup so that in the future we can reset the device. Backup is a four day process for Full and when it completes his and Sr. Manager, Support Engineering email server rejects my mail (multiple times) but only when sent from my domain, Gmail has no problems. Sr. Manager, Support Engineering replies that top support/engineering individual is busy and will respond shortly. Three days later top support/engineering individual contacts me and asks that I send the backup logs. After some back and forth I am told:
Would you like to monitor it for a few weeks and then, if there are no further issues, we can likely say that the original issue was that the backup logs had filled the OS partition? If that does end up being the case, I’ve already spoken with the developers regarding this issue and they are working on the best way to address it.
So now we are six weeks and two days from then and device is back to not responding to CIFS requests and FrontView is not accessible beyond the username/password prompt.
1. Logging has been moved from the hidden partition on the disk to a varlog volume to provide more space to log issues to avoid overwriting but running out of space may have been the cause of the lock.
2. You have removed the two PHP add-on's that I did not need and was unable to remove. The Teaming add-on also does not show on the Add-on's page but the NIC configuration still shows as teamed. - chirpaLuminaryI poked the Support Manager to have your issue looked at by more eyes.
- History Review
07/14/2011 - Ticket# 16134961 - Cause: Dead volume in FrontView but no notice sent - Result: RMA chassis
07/15/2011 - Ticket# 16143235 - Cause: Migrate drives from old chassis to new after update of firmware - Result: Failed to move/Instructions incomplete
07/15/2011 - Ticket# 16144283 - Cause: Migrate drives from old chassis to new after update of firmware - Result: Migration complete and 24 hours later resync complete
08/19/2011 - Ticket #16458558 - Cause: System not responding & dead drive - Result: Replace drive and watch for issues
09/07/2011 - Ticket #16632897 - Cause: Firmware update reboot & dead drive - Result: Senior L3 Tech wants to monitor it after getting it to work again
11/09/2011 - Ticket #Same as above - Cause: Unit is not responding - Result: Senior L3 Tech changed departments but will get L2 Tech to get log files
11/23/2011 - Ticket #Same as above - Cause: Unit is not responding - Result: L2 Tech was able to get bock back in service but no reason for lockup found
02/22/2012 - Ticket #17972459 - Cause: Unit is not responding - Result: RMA new unit but still no NAS access for five days and no word on when there will be. - Repeated calls trying to spur L3 support to at least provide some update of progress or timeline of resolution answered by silence.
Emails sent to company management regarding case and issues since that seems to be the only thing that has spurred a response in the past! - ReadySECUREApprenticeensign.fodder
I have reviewed every post and understand the frustration that you are experiencing. I have reviewed the related cases and notified the L3 support team of the inconvenience that has been caused in this situation with your ReadyNAS. Please make sure that the Tech Support Mode is not interrupted at this time. readysecure1985 wrote: ensign.fodder
I have reviewed every post and understand the frustration that you are experiencing. I have reviewed the related cases and notified the L3 support team of the inconvenience that has been caused in this situation with your ReadyNAS. Please make sure that the Tech Support Mode is not interrupted at this time.
There was no reason that the Tech Support mode would have been interrupted from my side. Unit still showed same port and IP when I returned to my office. As an FYI the only reason I knew the unit was off-line to the support team is that I called looking for an update and the L1 tech mentioned the issue.
I have received a direct email from a tech and have been told that the flash/disk/partition levels did not match - known since Monday - and that he "corrected" that issue by updating the disks.
Waiting to see if issue resolved.- So I could go into all the issues discovered and the little bit of improvement, but for now just let it be said that I am shopping for a NAS and NetGear is not on the considered list.
I have a functional NAS at the moment and it is now stable but all I want to do at this stage is get my data off it so that I can retire it of the roof of the building.
Soldiering on! - mdgm-ntgrNETGEAR Employee RetiredWould still suggest keeping the Pro Pioneer for backups. Data stored on a single device is not backed up.
If you don't want to keep the Pro Pioneer you should be able to sell it either via the ReadyNAS Marketplace (http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=33) or on a site such as eBay.
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