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StephenB
Feb 18, 2022Guru - Experienced User
Workaround for ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH problem for Sparc NAS (4.1.x firmware)
This workaround eliminates the redirection of http://nas-name-or-ip/admin to https://nas-name-or-ip/admin for NAS running 4.1.x firmware. It does require ssh to install.
Entering https://nas-na...
MacTheKnife1
Jul 26, 2024Tutor
Can I thank you and Samir for your very kind and motivating replies.
To Samir - I may have a bit of redundant tech. I run a factory and the 2013 server went down about 2 weeks ago. There is a motherboard, CPU and RAM going there. I am upgrading a few computers over the next few months. I just need a way to get them to you! I am in Derby, UK.
I really bemoan tech going out of circulation. My computers are all over 10 years old and generally going strong. I do belevie in updating drives every now and then, though. I was actually complaining to Netgear last night about end of lifeing products. In my workshop I have a lathe from the 1950's and a bench grinder that was my fathers, from 1960, which I refurbished in 1984 and again in 2023. It will see me out.
I converted all computers at work and home to Linux in around 2010 and only moved back to Windows when my accounting software required Windows. I should not have moved, really, as running Windows as a virtual machine worked just as well.
I pretty well build all my own computers now. Sorry, Givemynameback - I have not adventured into Docker but my next project wil likely be into Kubernetes - athough I am working on ESP-32's. Unless you have a link to where you have explained how you have installed the Docker images .... I have just had a busy few years where tech has struggled getting to the forefront of everything else. I have just moved house and put an area for computer and general tech in my office here.
I have set up one ReadyNasDuo to stream music for me. It is working like a dream. With your encouragement I will keep it going and probably keep the second as a spare. It was a near miss from putting them in the bin. I wanted to wipe the drives and ended up updating them, with your guidance.
Thank you guys.
SamirD
Jul 29, 2024Prodigy
You're welcome!
Oh wow! That's really cool. UK is over the pond from the US, so what would recommend is giving the units away there in the UK if you could. A good place to start is reddit hardwareswap for the computers and reddit homelabsales for the servers. And if no one wants them, I'm sure I can figure out the logistics to get them to me. 🙂
The fire of 'planned obsolesense' is being fanned and ignited by the cyberthreats that are constantly requiring updates. Today's hardware becomes 'obsolete' not because they are defective in any way, but because the software is. And most everyone misses the point that the second you disconnect the hardware from the Internet, it is generally safe to use (however not in environments where lateral movements by a threat can get to the machine). It is quite sad that things are no longer 'built to last' and are instead are being built 'just good enough' to be trashed. The global problem of ewaste is a serious one and one that consumers are blind to as they chase their new shiny device that will be trash inside of 3 years.
Virtual machines are a really good solution for legacy software and hardware requirements. And sometimes you just need the original machine, and that's fine too. What I've always considered to a be a disconnect is how the 'ewaste' from the developed world could easily be the building blocks for the developing world, but the developing world also only wants the 'new shiny' so they won't take 'hand me downs'. Pride isn't a technology problem.
For things like Docker and Kubernetes, I have heard Proxmox is a great place to start, especially since it can scale easily into HA and clusters. It's what I plan to play with when I can and move our legacy applications to vs bare metal hardware like we have now.
Back in the day we had something call a Radio that streamed music according to someone else's program--to be able to have music that you want on demand is still a great use for it, and it will last a long time in that capacity. Kinda like using an ipad 1 as an alarm clock--it's the greatest alarm clock you can get even though it's 'obsolete' as a tablet. Re-purposing should be the first thing that comes to mind for older electronics--how many cell phones get thrown away when they are terrific calculators and alarm clocks...
- MacTheKnife1Jul 29, 2024Tutor
Thank you SamirD.
You are very kind with your detailed reply. It's a shame you are so far away.
I tend to run tech until i have burnt through at least one power supply and a failed hard disc! Just, at work, it can be a bit painful. When my server went down with my Active Director Domain Controller and the backup did not kick in, it was a it desperate. So, at work, I do have to replace for productivity. Although the factory is still on 2008 hardware. It leads me back to reliance on Windows and not Linux. They get so slow.
I was asking myself if running a cloud would let me run tech until it broke. Then I could just add another node using old tech.
I will give Proxmox a look at. Thank you for the tip and your support.
- SamirDJul 30, 2024Prodigy
You're welcome. It is a shame, but I know there's always people that think as we do about tech and you're bound to find someone locally. If not, international freight rates aren't too bad.
I pretty much do the same thing, and then I will get back to the broken machine years later and fix it and put it back in service. Kind of a continuous task, but that's anything IT ime.
Ouch that sounded like a bit of a nightmare at a factory! There are certain servers for us that are mission critical like, but we made them modular--the server and the storage are easily separated and distributed to other systems on the network. And there's physical redundancy on the storage so we can even remove part of the storage and connect it to another system and be back up and running 100% in short order.
What's interesting about virtualizing hardware and high availability/clustering setups is that you can take bare metal hardware into the virtual world and then make the old hardware as part of the whole cluster. And then when the hardware finally fails, you can simply not use it in the cluster or repair it and put it back in place--while all the while the virtual machines just keep working. This is what I want to do with all of our stuff eventually. We even have all the hardware to do it--it's just time to configure and test out everything before fully switching over. And this applies to linux too so you can use that side by side with windows on the same hardware.
Proxmox seems to be the most popular free hypervisor environment out there right now. I haven't played with it much myself, but have read the docs cover to cover in preparation for our inevitable switch to virtualization. I would really be interested in what you think of it once you've played with it.
- SandsharkJul 30, 2024Sensei - Experienced User
The ReadyNAS hardware is really quite robust, IMHO. Many have and use units from before Infrant was bought by Netgear. But technology is a fickle thing. It seems that "everyone" wants the latest, greatest thing, and that requires more and more capable hardware, making the old hardware obsolete. I personally think there are a lot of folks who really don't want that and that the developers say they do only to justify updates that add functions (whether useful or not) and then require better hardware to run it. But the security aspects certainly do have to be kept up to date, which can drive hardware requirements.
Infrant/Netgear's choice to use Debian Linux as the core of the ReadyNAS OS (less customized than most other NAS developers, too) is a two-edged sword. It made it easier to create and for users to utilize existing apps. But it also meant that they relied on somebody else for updates and maintenance of old versions. And it took away their control of the hardware needed to run the latest version. Their very restrictive stance on apps specific to the ReadyNAS (not embracing Docker, for example) was definitely a misstep. I believe it was one of the factors that reduced their market share. And with their sales model not including charging for OS updates, their entire business model relied on the sale of new hardware. With reduced market share and old hardware just keeping on working, it was not a workable business model. Add to that that security updates were a must if they didn't want to open themselves up to liability issues, and "cut and run" becomes the exit path of least resistance, especially to the current class of typical CEOs and board members who really know little about their own technology. Decisions are based on stock price and how it will be affected, not technical merit.
I would love to see Netgear release the OS and the source code of their proprietary portion, but I can see that if doing so led someone to discover a back door, that would be a huge legal problem for them; so I don't see it happening.
Oh how I would love to see somebody (the old Infrant "Jedi" come to mind) buy the rights to the ReadyNAS OS. I would gladly pay for an updated OS to keep the hardware going. While I'm now using rack-mount units and could install an open source OS on them, most don't have that option. And I do like the idea of a "plug and play" OS rather than something I have to keep up to date myself.
WhoCares_ is working on a replacement for all, but he's got a ways to go before it's ready for prime time. And he's doing it relying only on the Linux base and reverse engineering of ReadyNASOS instead of having any assistance from Netgear.
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