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chrizfitz
Feb 09, 2015Aspirant
RN104 Numerous Problems - quid pro quo #24538394
Here's a quick rundown of the state of my RN104 and how I got here. Hopefully it might help someone (but not very likely).
I had my Nas since May 2013. 3 x 3TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001.
The biggest problem I have had since the start has been the shutting down of the unit. I had a friends QNAP while he was away travelling for 18 months. During this time I did nothing with it bar use it as a file/media server. Never any issue and never even shutdown.
So when I gave him back his NAS I decided to go for an RN104. Left it on 24/7, only time I shut it down was for the regular FW updates. During these updates the NAS would need to reboot to complete, the unit would not shutdown/reboot properly and would need to be plugged out from the mains. March came around and I was greeted by a flashing blue light one morning. One of the drives had become degraded.
The drive was in warranty and was replaced. I decided to schedule the Nas to turn on and off, thinking this may add to the drives lifespan. What started happening then was a daily adrenaline rush of walking into my office to see if my Nas had either:
a: shutdown correctly (50% percent of the time)
b: hung on shutdown (50% percent of the time. "Shutting Down. Goodbye.")
c: another drive had degraded.
I had tried changing some settings like snapshots etc. which always led to short term functionality.
Each of the other 2 drives degraded and were replaced under warranty by June.
By this stage I was a little peeved and open the following the thread:
https://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=154&t=76540
You may notice I never replied to the comments in the thread, this is because a few days later I received the following PM from a Netgear employee:
I awaited a response and I would leave The RN104 off and power on whenever I needed a file or when I saw a major update.
And then life happened. Wife and I found out we were expecting. The NAS took a back seat. During the Christmas I had another look at the Nas and updated, I had still not heard any response from the Netgear employee above. But at the same time I had not been able to do anything about it on my end.
Jan 19th 2015.
Error: degraded drive. This will be my 4th and the drives are out of warranty. Now is the time to get this sorted because in a couple of months I will not have the time to do anything about it. I contacted support with a long breakdown of the numerous issues. The operator recommended trying the Netgear employee who PM'd me as they were a higher level support agent. I did. This time I received a reply:
Ok, at this point a case number was opened for me on my.netgear.com. These tickets auto close within so many days so I am constantly replying to keep it open and putting in the numerous issues I am experiencing while backing up and going back to factory defaults. I wont close it until time has shown the hanging issue has been rectified.
Here are a couple of things I noticed since I contacted support on Jan 19th and started getting ready to backup and factory restore.
-Disk Spindown worked but the disks wouldn't spin back up. NAS had to be plugged out. I turned off the the disk spindown. Although it was turned off the NAS suddenly started freezing after a certain amount of time idle. When backing up or active the NAS would be ok but idle or streaming 60-80 min the unit would freeze.
-I turned off all apps but did not uninstall them due to the latest issue with the new FW when uninstalling the apps. this did nothing.
-I wanted to delete unneeded files and media from said NAS. I trimmed down the 5TB to 3.5TB and completed the backup. The frontend and mapped drives all still showed 5TB being used.
I have updated my ticket on my.netgear.com with all of the issues above. the copy and paste reply I am getting now goes like this:
I am fine with this. Its their rules and frontline support aren't allowed to say otherwise. I will be continuing my ticket updates and linking it to this thread.
Last night once the backups were completed and checked I restored to factory defaults. The question I have now is in my correspondence with netgear they say to
Thanks for reading and any reply is appreciated.
tl/dr:
From my experience do not buy or use the Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001 drives. Saying this I mentioned it to my supplier and they said they have only been requested to replace 4 drives from 600-odd hard drives of that model. 3 of the said requests were from me!!
From my experience do not buy early versions of hardware that require so many FW updates after release unless there are concrete reviews recommending it.
From my experience do not buy netgears RN104.
I had my Nas since May 2013. 3 x 3TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001.
The biggest problem I have had since the start has been the shutting down of the unit. I had a friends QNAP while he was away travelling for 18 months. During this time I did nothing with it bar use it as a file/media server. Never any issue and never even shutdown.
So when I gave him back his NAS I decided to go for an RN104. Left it on 24/7, only time I shut it down was for the regular FW updates. During these updates the NAS would need to reboot to complete, the unit would not shutdown/reboot properly and would need to be plugged out from the mains. March came around and I was greeted by a flashing blue light one morning. One of the drives had become degraded.
The drive was in warranty and was replaced. I decided to schedule the Nas to turn on and off, thinking this may add to the drives lifespan. What started happening then was a daily adrenaline rush of walking into my office to see if my Nas had either:
a: shutdown correctly (50% percent of the time)
b: hung on shutdown (50% percent of the time. "Shutting Down. Goodbye.")
c: another drive had degraded.
I had tried changing some settings like snapshots etc. which always led to short term functionality.
Each of the other 2 drives degraded and were replaced under warranty by June.
By this stage I was a little peeved and open the following the thread:
https://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=154&t=76540
You may notice I never replied to the comments in the thread, this is because a few days later I received the following PM from a Netgear employee:
Hello chrizfitz
This is level 3 support from NETGEAR,to verify the shutting down issue,I would like to ask for latest system log from your side,could you please send it to me?thanks
My response:
Hi,
Thanks for the private message. Glad to see that sort of initiative from Netgear. Please find my logs attached. Nas shutdown properly last night but not the night before.
Regards,
Chris
I awaited a response and I would leave The RN104 off and power on whenever I needed a file or when I saw a major update.
And then life happened. Wife and I found out we were expecting. The NAS took a back seat. During the Christmas I had another look at the Nas and updated, I had still not heard any response from the Netgear employee above. But at the same time I had not been able to do anything about it on my end.
Jan 19th 2015.
Error: degraded drive. This will be my 4th and the drives are out of warranty. Now is the time to get this sorted because in a couple of months I will not have the time to do anything about it. I contacted support with a long breakdown of the numerous issues. The operator recommended trying the Netgear employee who PM'd me as they were a higher level support agent. I did. This time I received a reply:
Sorry I missed your previous mail in Sep,from the log I don’t see any issue and the raid is redundantly with 3 health disks,the only thing may need to be changed is that the Btrfs volume was created in old ReadyOS which doesn’t include latest Btrfs enhancement,my advice is backup all the required data and create a new volume in 6.2.2.
Ok, at this point a case number was opened for me on my.netgear.com. These tickets auto close within so many days so I am constantly replying to keep it open and putting in the numerous issues I am experiencing while backing up and going back to factory defaults. I wont close it until time has shown the hanging issue has been rectified.
Here are a couple of things I noticed since I contacted support on Jan 19th and started getting ready to backup and factory restore.
-Disk Spindown worked but the disks wouldn't spin back up. NAS had to be plugged out. I turned off the the disk spindown. Although it was turned off the NAS suddenly started freezing after a certain amount of time idle. When backing up or active the NAS would be ok but idle or streaming 60-80 min the unit would freeze.
-I turned off all apps but did not uninstall them due to the latest issue with the new FW when uninstalling the apps. this did nothing.
-I wanted to delete unneeded files and media from said NAS. I trimmed down the 5TB to 3.5TB and completed the backup. The frontend and mapped drives all still showed 5TB being used.
I have updated my ticket on my.netgear.com with all of the issues above. the copy and paste reply I am getting now goes like this:
Based on the product registration, your device is no longer eligible for free assistance from a support expert. However, I want to make sure you are aware that there are other options available for you to utilize such as:
* http://www.readynas.com/forum/
* http://support.netgear.com/for_business/default.aspx
Aside from the above free options, I highly recommend our On Call 24/7 Contract which will entitle you to phone support for this issue and in addition you also we have our higher level of support that will assist you with your concern.
Here are the OnCall 24x7 contract available for you:
OnCall 24x7 1 Year, Phone Support = EUR 107
OnCall 24x7 3 Years, Phone Support = EUR 125
OnCall 24x7 5 Years, Phone Support = EUR 226
and
Thank you for the response. But if you need further assistance, those are the options that are available for you so that we can proceed solving your concern.
Again, thank you for choosing NETGEAR.
I am fine with this. Its their rules and frontline support aren't allowed to say otherwise. I will be continuing my ticket updates and linking it to this thread.
Last night once the backups were completed and checked I restored to factory defaults. The question I have now is in my correspondence with netgear they say to
Has the factory default done this? If not what is the best way to do this? I am not going to use this Nas for anything more than the most basic file storage. As most reveiws now say it is the only thing it good for.
my advice is backup all the required data and create a new volume in 6.2.2
Thanks for reading and any reply is appreciated.
tl/dr:
From my experience do not buy or use the Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 ST3000DM001 drives. Saying this I mentioned it to my supplier and they said they have only been requested to replace 4 drives from 600-odd hard drives of that model. 3 of the said requests were from me!!
From my experience do not buy early versions of hardware that require so many FW updates after release unless there are concrete reviews recommending it.
From my experience do not buy netgears RN104.
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- chrizfitzAspirantSo are you saying the freezing issue is not happening to anybody within the 90 days or anybody with a subscription? If it is is their issue fixed? If not whats the point in having said sub? If they have been able to rectify it, Netgears pay to fix mentality for issues caused by netgear is a disgrace.
Regarding the hard drives my experience is outlined above. I am sure the frustration on both sides is increased by the fact I have done everything asked of me by both direct support and the forums yet we find ourselves in a position where the Netgear OS and/or a Netgear product is not functioning and has (in my experience) not functioned properly. - mdgm-ntgrNETGEAR Employee RetiredNo. If that issue occurs in that case we would get a fix into a firmware update if it is a software issue. We have a few systems that we are looking at at the moment. Note they may/may not be experiencing the same lockup issue as you. So even if we fix it for them that is not a guarantee that it will help you.
We do analyse where we need to make exceptions to our support policy. We have for example for the app uninstallation problem which is fixed in 6.2.3 Beta.
On the lockup issue support are working with two users at the moment, obtaining serial crash dumps. It is my understanding that we shared what we hoped was a fix on the forums first before sending a link to those users.
The NAS comes with a 3 year limited hardware warranty and a 90 days support warranty. The 90 days is plenty of time for getting help with issues encountered setting up the device after which time for most users things run smoothly. The conclusion we made is that we should not force all users to pay up front for support most won't need.
90 days is a common support warranty in the IT industry.
In addition to paid support options there is free support on the forums. - chrizfitzAspirantRunning 6.3.3 ARM beta atm. Fans running at full peg. Will update if scheduled shutdowns work
- chrizfitzAspirantProblem number 8799586621441886214851b
The unit did shutdown which I was happy to se this morning but I returned home to the NAS stuck on booting, see attached pic:
- chrizfitzAspirantTried FW 6.2.3 beta 6 and now no GUI, ssh crashes on login.
- shoeminatorAspirantHi all,
Same issues sadly .....
I've just put 6.2.3 beta 9 on my 104 and ..... voila !!!! crashed after about 20 minutes !
running WD reds, each disk checks out OK.
This has been a ongoing drama. Having a "highly reliable" NAS that only stays up a few hours at most (even if idling) is getting very old.... and like you all I'm getting very angry/worried.
angry - that this unit has these problems
scared - because I have recommended readynas products to several friends/family and even suggested them at work ! thankfully I think I'm the only goose that bought an RN104 but ..... if the others hit issues like this we're in a lot of trouble :-(
so far
- back in 6.2.2 era .... did full rebuild from factory, took ages, four 2TB external drives to back it all up/resore and .... yes .... still freezes,
- 6.2.3 beta 1 ...... freezes after a few hours with same problem.
- 6.2.3 beta 2 ...... freezes after a few hours with same problem.
- 6.2.3 beta 3 ...... freezes after a few hours with same problem.
- 6.2.3 beta 4 ...... freezes after a few hours with same problem.
- power supply died, replaced under warranty (yay), might have had something to do with the number of times I have had to drop power and reboot to "unfreeze" the 104 over the last 9 months.
.... i missed a couple of Betas .... frustrated !!!!
Family no longer interested in using media tank as supporting NAS won't play for a full movies worrth of time before freezing :-(
and now
- 6.2.3 beta 9 ..... freezes after about 20 minutes .... with same problem ...... (only tried twice now)
three year warranty right ?
mgdm, what data from the logs would help you guys nail this issue that I might have
..... and ....
is 6.3.3 likely to be better, I see it is available in beta for the 104 but I've been reading a few "brick" stories and am a little scared :-(
Thanks in Advance,
Mark - mdgm-ntgrNETGEAR Employee RetiredCould see if disks have issues from the logs for example.
6.3.3 Beta has a different kernel. - shoeminatorAspirantdisks checked out ok (new WD Reds 3TB) .......
thanks for the USB recovery guidance. 1721 is up and kicking, we'll see how long for.
Cheers... - shoeminatorAspirantis the 6.3.3 kernel experiencing the same level of lock-ups as the 6.2.3 ?
- mdgm-ntgrNETGEAR Employee RetiredWe are continuing to investigate the problem. For now, I think I would stick with 6.2.3.
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