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Apr 26, 2024Star
Orbi 970 Constants Reboots - Solved!!! (Router overheating is the cause)
I bought a Orbi 970 system with two satellites in mid-February. Had it hooked up to a 5-Gig symmetric internet service.
Didn't have any issues for weeks as I only put a few devices on it while others sat connected to my older routers that were subnetting from the Orbi 970. As I slowly started moving devices over to the Orbi 970 network, random reboots started occuring.
I've followed all the thread here, Reddit, etc. and did everything to solve it without reaching out to support:
- Full reset twice.
- Bought a third satellite (so now router + 3).
- Wired all satellites to the router instead of using WiFi backhaul. (remove WiFi backhaul issues from the picture)
- Reconfigured WiFi channels used carefully to avoid overlaps with other routers I have + possible neighbor routers.
- Even had smart plugs turn off the router and satellites at 3 AM every day, and bring them back online in order (router first, and then satellites a few minutes later).
The reboots sometimes happened once an hour when the system seemed to be under what should be normal load. My wife was laughing at me constantly for the poor reliability of something that's set me back $3K+.
Applied all my engineering thinking to it, until one day, saw a thread where someone suggested that router overheating may be the cause and that they bought USB based fans from Amazon to put them over the router unit.
This sort of made sense because I did not have this problem when only a few (4-5) of my devices were configured to connect to it. First I put an Airthings sensor above the router to measure heat. Airthings showed external temperatures at 94.3 F at peak and an average of 91 F. The operating temperature for RBR maxes at 104 so it was plausible that the internals were coming close to that. The ambient temperature (room temperature) when all this was happening was between 68 and 72 F.
Fans arrive (all of $18), have them running in series on top of the router - boom, temperatures at Airthings right above the router drop to 74 F. I left the Airthings there - the highest I've seen is around 80 F. Everything's stable immediately - up and running for 5 days+ like perfection.
The real questions here:
- Do those of us who have this issue have defective units (poor thermal paste application on the processor)? I live in a colder area so I am sure people in hotter states are very likely to hit this more often.
- Is this a design issue? I.e. the fan on the unit is not powerful enough and pushing out heat. It's obvious a stronger fan is all that's needed.
- Do I care to ask for support and RMA? I don't know - I've the support subscription paid for.
My goal of posting this here is 2 things - (1) give people facing this a clear answer - empathetically excited to share this given my frustration for weeks prior to this, (2) get thoughts on what I should do?
- I could do an RMA and see what temps the unit puts out in the exact same setup without extra fans outside.
Netgear opened a support case on their own seeing this thread and reached out to me.
Gave them all the details they asked for to help them investigate.
Hopefully this leads to a solution that helps future adopters of this hardware have a seamless experience because the Orbi 970 is spectacularly good outside of this.
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I'd contact NG support to let them know about this:
https://my.netgear.com/support/contact.aspx
https://www.netgear.com/support/contact.aspx
Then clicking on "Get answers about NETGEAR products before I buy" then clicking on "Networking for Home" then "Chat with us".Have not seen other post about failures with heating. There is no internal fan.
I also keep a fan under any router I have online as well.
- kjxStar
Netgear opened a support case on their own seeing this thread and reached out to me.
Gave them all the details they asked for to help them investigate.
Hopefully this leads to a solution that helps future adopters of this hardware have a seamless experience because the Orbi 970 is spectacularly good outside of this.
Keep us posted on any progress.
Ya, been a concern of mine as well. 10Gb ports and such will generate higher internal temps. Why I always keep a fan running.
I purchased the 970 bundle with 2 sats as soon as it was available (I think back in November of 23) and have had this same issue every since. I've gone round and round and round with support trying to solve the reboot issues. Finally noticed the unit seemed extremely hot. Put a fan on it, not a single issue for a month.
Recently I moved the entire network setup to an area with far more open space and thought it would be fine so didn't plug in the fan.... Nope, reboots and crashes 2 days in. Plugged the fan back in and all is working again. I feel this is a horrible design flaw. I live in Alaska and it's not a hot climate. đ- kjxStar
I don't have any update from engineering, except support reaching out asking if this is still a problem, and/or if anything has changed. For how much they charge for these devices, it's very unfortunate that this wasn't discovered prior to starting large-scale manufacturing - adding fans could have been so relatively easy at design time and wouldn't have cost much in the bill of materials.
This is the only known thread I have seen on this issue, and I also opened a case with Netgear on Tuesday over this issue. After an hour of analysis, they asked me to swap power supplies with one of the satellites and monitor uptime. So far after 2 days, no reboots, but mine have been pretty random over the last 2 months. I also measured thermal output of the RBE971, mine also shows about 90F under a relatively low network load. Have the RBE971 more out in the open now vice in an enclosure with a fan running over it, and it seems more stable right now. I also have applied engineering thinking, even asked support if I could try an engineering-level firmware with better logging to monitor the crashes (existing logging is just crap, only monitors minor events, which are lost when the router reboots), and they didn't sign up for that. I tend to agree there is an engineering flaw in the cooling system of the RBE971, and overheating seems to be causing the random reboots. But Netgear will not admit that at this point.
- kjxStar
I'm the OP in this thread and I'm unable to reply to it with an update so starting a new discussion as the outcome is important to share --
"Orbi 970 Constants Reboots - Solved!!! (Router overheating is the cause)"
So, I finally received my RMA units (looked like a brand-new box with router and satellites, everything sealed). Replaced everything and sent all of the original equipment including satellites back. Netgear Armor started over with a 1-year sub.
Great news overall - sharing the exact update I left in the support case --
(A) Overheating & connection drops. (good)
I can confirm that the new equipment does not overheat â I stress-tested it with a 52 GB game download (peaking at 250 Mbps down). This was one reproducible scenario that caused the previous router would have issues with.
Even though everything is fine, for hardware longevity, I still plan to run fans over the router.
(B) WiFi-6E issues (resolved through satellite movement) --
The second problem where my WiFi-6E devices in a particular room would randomly lose connectivity (that engineering thought the logs looked weird on).
- This still happens on the new equipment. Same weird IP address assignment, etc.
- But I resolved this myself in the end by moving a satellite and placing it directly inside the room with direct line-of-sight to all 6E devices (going from a wired backhaul to a wireless backhaul).
- My devices near the satellite have higher pings (marginal at 10 ms) and marginally lower speeds (1.4 Gbps down to 1.2 Gbps up/down to my iPad) BUT the connection seems perfectly stable to multiple WiFi-6E devices in that room.
- kjxStar
Clarification to the post above - the peak download speed in the stress-test was 250 Megabytes per second (MBps), which would translate to 2+ Gigabits per second (2 Gbps).
Glad the RMA solved it.
Ya, I run a fan on mine all the time, regardless. Helps keep it cooler and helps with HW longevity in the long run.Be sure to save off a back up configuration to file for safe keeping. Saves time if a reset is needed.
https://kb.netgear.com/000062080/How-do-I-back-up-the-configuration-settings-on-my-Orbi-WiFi-System
Enjoy. đĄ