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jh75
Nov 07, 2016Aspirant
Adding 4TB - total storage volume not increased
Hi,
We have a Readynas nv+ v2 used for backing up to. It has 4x2TB hdd’s. The NAS has run out of space and I am in process of adding 2 new 4TB drives.
I am adding one drive at the time and have ...
- Nov 07, 2016
jh75 wrote:
I am adding one drive at the time and have only added 1 drives so far. After adding 1x 4TB drive the storage ‘size’ has not increased – it seems that only 2TB of the new drive is used.
This is normal. The system can't use the full drive space without sacrificing RAID redundancy.
When you add the second disk there will be a second resync and the volume will expand by 2 TB. You likely will be prompted to reboot the NAS half-way through that resync
JBDragon1
Nov 11, 2016Virtuoso
Should we blame Microsoft or the HDD makers for Advertising sizes, or showing sizes that that really confuse everyone. Isn't it the whole RAM thing being 1024, while HDD are 1000, and Windows just treats them both the same at 1024? So while RAM shows correctly, HDD space shows less, because all them 24 bytes extra add up. I'm not sure why they didn't just both just be the same? Either Ram or Storage, but it's been confusing people for a very long time.
StephenB
Nov 12, 2016Guru - Experienced User
JBDragon1 wrote:
Should we blame Microsoft or the HDD makers for Advertising sizes ... Either Ram or Storage, but it's been confusing people for a very long time.
It's been this way so long, I'm not sure who started it. I recall (many years ago) that 1024 multiples were used in early PCs to avoid the divide (using a right shift instead). Though that is anecdotal, and might well be wrong. Though of course 1024 is the logical unit for RAM.
- SandsharkNov 12, 2016Sensei
StephenB wrote:It's been this way so long, I'm not sure who started it. I recall (many years ago) that 1024 multiples were used in early PCs to avoid the divide (using a right shift instead). Though that is anecdotal, and might well be wrong. Though of course 1024 is the logical unit for RAM.
RAM uses multiples of 1024 because there are physical address lines, so the total number of locations must be a power of two (a round number in binary) since each line has two possible states (0 and 1). So it only made sense that a Kilo, Mega, Giga, etc. would be a multiple of 1024 (an even power of 2) instead of 1000. This was established before hard drives even existed by general usage, not by actual standard. The shift instead of divide by two has similar roots (two states for each location vs, two states for each address line), but they are not hard linked.
Hard drives have no similar physical restriction. I remember 17 sectors per track being common as 5.25" hard drives became mainstream, but that varied some between manufacturers. In the very early years, some manufacturers used multiples of 1024 for drives as well, but their drives "looked smaller" than the competition that used multiples of 1000, so multiples of 1000 became the norm (as well as folllowing the IEC standard, where multiples of 1024 did not). Rounding drive size up instead of using fractional sizes also became the norm. These and the "raw vs, formatted" capacity all add to the confusion of just how much a drive will hold. The bottom line is the drive manufaturers all want their drives to advertise as being as large as they can get away with.
In 1999, the IEC decided enough was enough and invented (or at least standardized) the KiB, GiB, TiB, etc. for binary multiples. Computers were now mainstream, and the old "industry standards" were confusing to the general populous, especially since that extra 24 doesn't actually "add up", it multiplies. The difference was really staring to show with TB=1000x1000x1000x1000 vs. TiB=1024x1024x1024x1024. But except to explain the difference between the size of drives and RAM, the "KiB", "GiB", "TiB", etc. have yet to become commonly used in the electronics industry. 1024 bytes of RAM is still a "K" not a "Ki" pretty much everywhere I look. Microsoft is just following the crowd (or stagnating with it, I suppose), and the confusion persists. Blame old guys (and gals) like me and Bill Gates (though he's out of the game now) for this.
Here is a good reference: Prefixes for binary multiples
- StephenBNov 13, 2016Guru - Experienced User
Sandshark wrote:
Computers were now mainstream, and the old "industry standards" were confusing to the general populous, especially since that extra 24 doesn't actually "add up", it multiplies. The difference was really staring to show with TB=1000x1000x1000x1000 vs. TiB=1024x1024x1024x1024. But except to explain the difference between the size of drives and RAM, the "KiB", "GiB", "TiB", etc. have yet to become commonly used in the electronics industry. 1024 bytes of RAM is still a "K" not a "Ki" pretty much everywhere I look. Microsoft is just following the crowd (or stagnating with it, I suppose), and the confusion persists. Blame old guys (and gals) like me and Bill Gates (though he's out of the game now) for this.
I believe OSX uses 1000 multiples, so confusion continues to abound.
My recollection on the shift went back to the CP/M operating system, which of course was back when dinosaur computers roamed the earth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M
- JBDragon1Nov 17, 2016Virtuoso
I still kind of remember CP/M. I remember screwing with it on my Commodore 128 back in the day. On of a number of Commodore computers I've owned starting with the Vic-20 with a Cassette Tape Drive. Them were the days. Take 20 minutes t load up a program only to have it crash near the end have have to rewind the tape and try again. My first 5-1/4" floppy with my C-64, after using the tape drive with that for a while. My 128 with the 5-1/4" and 3.5" Floppy drives, which I ended up running a BBS on. My 128D, My Amiga 500 and finally getting my first HDD which was a SCSI drive, 5-1/4" Full Height 40 Meg drive. That was pile of money, ended up running my BBS on that. Got a Amiga 1200, Finally went to Windows 95 on a Gateway 2000 computer. My first 3DFX graphic card. These days I'm on a Windows 10 Desktop which I built. It's really pretty Amazing I have a computer the size of my iPhone that's 1000 times more powerful and the 128 Gig's of storage. Tech has moved so fast in such a short period of time. I couldn't dream back then what we would have now. My NAS serving me up hundreds of HD movies anywhere I'm at. with TB's of storage. You just have to think WOW.
My Mac experiance was on my Amiga 500 running a Mac Emulator so that I could run Netscape. Some things never change. Now you have Mac's that can also run Windows. Not so much Emulation, but still,.....
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