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Aloise
Dec 27, 2013Aspirant
Storage Help (NAS+Media Streaming+RAID+Automatic Backup)
Hi everyone.
I'm currently facing a dilemma trying to choose the best storage solution for me. I have just bought a Netgear R7000 (Nighthawk) 802.11ac router and would like to build my personal home cloud based on it.
My NAS-storage requirements are:
- Fast, reliable and "virtually" fail-proof
- Hot swappable features, to allow replacing failed HDs on the fly, automatically rebuilding data (disaster recovery). No data loss.
- Store high definition media, such as Full-HD (1080p) videos, MP3/FLAC audio, RAW/JPG pictures and stream it to my TV, iPad, iPhone, Android devices, laptops on my wifi LAN
- Ability to read/write files anywhere in the world, securely.
- Separated profiles, i.e., for admin, regular allowed users and specific users to prevent access to private, classified information/data. Be able to allow access of specific files for specific users.
- Mandatory ability to allow me to automatically backup all my data. In this case, I was thinking of buying, for example a 6-bay NAS and setup a RAID config that allows me to use 3 HDs/bays for data and 3 HDs/bays for backup, all bays with same HD brand/model/capacity.
- Scalable, allowing me to plug other boxes via eSATA (for example) in the future and expand capacity.
1. I was thinking about Netgear ReadyNAS 516 (6-Bay). Any suggestions? Any models other than this?
2. One mandatory feature for me is to have the ability to mirror my data on backup dedicated HDs. I know that there's a tradeoff concerning performance vs security (redundancy). I know very little about RAID and thought that maybe RAID6 would be a reasonable option. I also know that if I fill my NAS with 12Tb, 6Tb would be for useful data and 6Tb for backup (in a nutshell). Does it make sense?
3. Also, my personal desire it that, once a drive has failed, I would like to hotswap it with a new one so that the NAS rebuilds the information and no data loss occurs. Is it feasible or am I dreaming?
4. I know these NASes don't work with SAS HDs. So I'll have to stick to SATA Enterprise Class HDs, such as Seagate Constellation or similar. Higher RPM and internal memory would increase disk I/O. Both Netgear and QNAP sell either diskless or loaded with enterprise class HDs. Any comments/suggestions on this?
5. Are these NASes able to stream media "from factory", of course through my wifi router or will I need to install tons of apps/software to do it? Any light on this?
6. I have an Apple TV box. May I also use it as another option to stream media (videos, audio,photos) from the NAS to my TV?
Thanks in advance for your precious help. I've been reading and studying so much about this that I'm almost deciding to take a Ph.D. exam...
I'm currently facing a dilemma trying to choose the best storage solution for me. I have just bought a Netgear R7000 (Nighthawk) 802.11ac router and would like to build my personal home cloud based on it.
My NAS-storage requirements are:
- Fast, reliable and "virtually" fail-proof
- Hot swappable features, to allow replacing failed HDs on the fly, automatically rebuilding data (disaster recovery). No data loss.
- Store high definition media, such as Full-HD (1080p) videos, MP3/FLAC audio, RAW/JPG pictures and stream it to my TV, iPad, iPhone, Android devices, laptops on my wifi LAN
- Ability to read/write files anywhere in the world, securely.
- Separated profiles, i.e., for admin, regular allowed users and specific users to prevent access to private, classified information/data. Be able to allow access of specific files for specific users.
- Mandatory ability to allow me to automatically backup all my data. In this case, I was thinking of buying, for example a 6-bay NAS and setup a RAID config that allows me to use 3 HDs/bays for data and 3 HDs/bays for backup, all bays with same HD brand/model/capacity.
- Scalable, allowing me to plug other boxes via eSATA (for example) in the future and expand capacity.
1. I was thinking about Netgear ReadyNAS 516 (6-Bay). Any suggestions? Any models other than this?
2. One mandatory feature for me is to have the ability to mirror my data on backup dedicated HDs. I know that there's a tradeoff concerning performance vs security (redundancy). I know very little about RAID and thought that maybe RAID6 would be a reasonable option. I also know that if I fill my NAS with 12Tb, 6Tb would be for useful data and 6Tb for backup (in a nutshell). Does it make sense?
3. Also, my personal desire it that, once a drive has failed, I would like to hotswap it with a new one so that the NAS rebuilds the information and no data loss occurs. Is it feasible or am I dreaming?
4. I know these NASes don't work with SAS HDs. So I'll have to stick to SATA Enterprise Class HDs, such as Seagate Constellation or similar. Higher RPM and internal memory would increase disk I/O. Both Netgear and QNAP sell either diskless or loaded with enterprise class HDs. Any comments/suggestions on this?
5. Are these NASes able to stream media "from factory", of course through my wifi router or will I need to install tons of apps/software to do it? Any light on this?
6. I have an Apple TV box. May I also use it as another option to stream media (videos, audio,photos) from the NAS to my TV?
Thanks in advance for your precious help. I've been reading and studying so much about this that I'm almost deciding to take a Ph.D. exam...
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- StephenBGuru - Experienced UserSince you are particularly concerned about data loss, you should not use RAID-0 to span multiple disks into one volume. (fastfwd basically said that, I am just underscoring that point).
4TB drives are more cost-effective for new installations. Also leaving a slot empty makes expanding the array more cost-effective later on - especially with RAID-6, where you need to upgrade 4 drives with the larger sizes to get any space increase at all. Much better to pop in a new drive in the empty slot... - AloiseAspirantWell said!
In terms of HW, after all the great information provided, I think that the best setup for my current needs would be:
*DATA NAS*
Enclosure: Netgear ReadyNAS 516
HDDs: 4x4Tb ST4000VN000 (Gross volume = 16Tb >>> Net volume (RAID6) = 8Tb)
Connection: Directly connected to my Netgear R7000 router via physical GBit/Ethernet port
*BACKUP NAS*
Enclosure: Netgear ReadyNAS 516 or Netgear ReadyNAS 314 (still deciding based on $$$... boy I thought this ball game would be more affordable... :) )
HDDs: 4x4Tb ST4000VN000 (Gross volume = 16Tb >>> Net volume (JBOD) = ~16Tb ...little less indeed)
Connection: ???
Obs: I don't plan to keep my BACKUP NAS on and connected full time. I'm planning to run and connect this box only when I wish to backup data on DATA NAS, depending on my needs.
Questions:
1. Which would be the best way to connect my BACKUP NAS?
a) By also connecting it to the router via GBit Ethernet port (DATA NAS----GBit/Eth-----Router-----GBit/Eth-----BACKUP NAS)
b) Wirelessly (is it possible? Latency would be probably an issue...)
c) Directly to the DATA NAS via GBit Ethernet port using crossed cable? (Router------GBit/Eth------DATA NAS-----GBit/Eth X------BACKUP NAS)
d) Directly to the DATA NAS via eSATA port? (Router------GBit/Eth------DATA NAS-----eSATA------BACKUP NAS)
e) None of the above... :(
2. If I choose RAID6 for DATA NAS with 4x4Tb HDDs, in the future, is it possible to install a 5th or 6th HDD on the fly... so that RAID6 automatically rebuilds the array now adding 2 new disks and also without the need to connect a BACKUP NAS to manouevre data on the rebuilding process?
3. How complicated (or easy, depending on your point of view) is it to configure RAID6 (DATA NAS) and JBOD (BACKUP NAS)?
4. If I choose RAID6 for DATA NAS with 4x4TB disks, I would have a total net amount of 8Tb of space. In this case, is it enough to have just 2x4Tb disks (JBOD) on my BACKUP NAS or should I install the exact same physical amount, independently of logical amount (net anount of space)?
5. In terms of I/O, 4Tb on a single HDD sound for me like "too big" for a fast throughtput/performance. Would it be better to use 3Tb or even 2Tb HDDs instead?
6. In addition, how can I map BACKUP NAS (JBOD) to get data from DATA NAS (RAID6). ReadyNAS comes "from factory" with this feature or should I install some software like SyncBack Free?
7. I surely won't be using RAID on my BACKUP NAS. JBOD sound like the way to go, but are there any other reliable options or JBOD is really the best pick?
8. I've read something about Synology (DS1513+ or DS1812+) and QNAP (TS-670). Is Netgear ReadyNAS really the best pick? Would they fit/work/perform nearly the same for my needs or is there any better candidate?
Average Prices - Diskless (Amazon):
Netgear ReadyNAS 314 - 4-Bay - $564,50
Netgear ReadyNAD 516 - 6-Bay - $1,109.99
Synology DS1513+ - 5-Bay - $799,99
Synology DS1812+ - 8-Bay - $1,002.73
QNAP TS-470 - 4-Bay - $1,049.00
QNAP TS-470 PRO - 4-Bay - $1,349.00
QNAP TS-670 - 6-Bay - $1,149.00
QNAP TS-670 PRO - 6-Bay - $1,482.00
Tks in advance. - fastfwdVirtuoso
Aloise wrote: 1. Which would be the best way to connect my BACKUP NAS?
a) By also connecting it to the router via GBit Ethernet port (DATA NAS----GBit/Eth-----Router-----GBit/Eth-----BACKUP NAS)
b) Wirelessly (is it possible? Latency would be probably an issue...)
c) Directly to the DATA NAS via GBit Ethernet port using crossed cable? (Router------GBit/Eth------DATA NAS-----GBit/Eth X------BACKUP NAS)
d) Directly to the DATA NAS via eSATA port? (Router------GBit/Eth------DATA NAS-----eSATA------BACKUP NAS)
e) None of the above... :(
A.Aloise wrote: 2. If I choose RAID6 for DATA NAS with 4x4Tb HDDs, in the future, is it possible to install a 5th or 6th HDD on the fly... so that RAID6 automatically rebuilds the array now adding 2 new disks and also without the need to connect a BACKUP NAS to manouevre data on the rebuilding process?
Yes.Aloise wrote: 3. How complicated (or easy, depending on your point of view) is it to configure RAID6 (DATA NAS) and JBOD (BACKUP NAS)?
In OS4, the RAID6 configuration process requires checking two boxes and clicking OK. Maybe three boxes, actually; I forget.
In OS4, configuring JBOD is very slightly more complicated: After checking a box or two and clicking OK, you have to launch the NAS web interface and click OK there to set the size of each volume.
I assume that OS6 makes the process no more difficult than OS4.Aloise wrote: 4. If I choose RAID6 for DATA NAS with 4x4TB disks, I would have a total net amount of 8Tb of space. In this case, is it enough to have just 2x4Tb disks (JBOD) on my BACKUP NAS or should I install the exact same physical amount, independently of logical amount (net anount of space)?
2x4TB would be enough to hold a complete copy of all the data on your main NAS. There's no need to install more drives in the backup NAS unless you wanted to store additional data there.Aloise wrote: 5. In terms of I/O, 4Tb on a single HDD sound for me like "too big" for a fast throughtput/performance. Would it be better to use 3Tb or even 2Tb HDDs instead?
No. The maximum sustained data transfer rate of the ST4000VN000 is 180 megabytes per second. The 3TB version of that drive also does 180MB/s, and the 2TB version is slower, at 159MB/s. See page 11 of the product manual: http://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/product-content/nas-fam/nas-hdd/en-us/docs/100724684.pdfAloise wrote: 6. In addition, how can I map BACKUP NAS (JBOD) to get data from DATA NAS (RAID6). ReadyNAS comes "from factory" with this feature or should I install some software like SyncBack Free?
SyncBack Free is a Windows application designed for backing up PCs; it is inappropriate for the ReadyNAS, which runs Linux.
The ReadyNAS has built-in backup functionality that is almost certainly sufficient for your needs.Aloise wrote: 7. I surely won't be using RAID on my BACKUP NAS. JBOD sound like the way to go, but are there any other reliable options or JBOD is really the best pick?
Your choices are a) RAID or b) JBOD. If you surely won't be using RAID, your only option is JBOD. - StephenBGuru - Experienced User
(a)Aloise wrote: 1. Which would be the best way to connect my BACKUP NAS?
a) By also connecting it to the router via GBit Ethernet port (DATA NAS----GBit/Eth-----Router-----GBit/Eth-----BACKUP NAS)
b) Wirelessly (is it possible? Latency would be probably an issue...)
c) Directly to the DATA NAS via GBit Ethernet port using crossed cable? (Router------GBit/Eth------DATA NAS-----GBit/Eth X------BACKUP NAS)
d) Directly to the DATA NAS via eSATA port? (Router------GBit/Eth------DATA NAS-----eSATA------BACKUP NAS)
e) None of the above... :(
yesAloise wrote: 2. If I choose RAID6 for DATA NAS with 4x4Tb HDDs, in the future, is it possible to install a 5th or 6th HDD on the fly... so that RAID6 automatically rebuilds the array now adding 2 new disks and also without the need to connect a BACKUP NAS to manouevre data on the rebuilding process?
Both are fairly easy to set up. jbod is one mode of flexraid, so there are more options there.Aloise wrote: 3. How complicated (or easy, depending on your point of view) is it to configure RAID6 (DATA NAS) and JBOD (BACKUP NAS)?
2x4TB should be enough. Keep in mind that you need to balance the storage manually. For instance, if you have a 6 TB share on the main nas, there is no way to back it up on one of the 4TB volumes on the backup. So you do need to manage your share sizes so you can allocate them to backup volumes.Aloise wrote: 4. If I choose RAID6 for DATA NAS with 4x4TB disks, I would have a total net amount of 8Tb of space. In this case, is it enough to have just 2x4Tb disks (JBOD) on my BACKUP NAS or should I install the exact same physical amount, independently of logical amount (net anount of space)?
No.Aloise wrote: 5. In terms of I/O, 4Tb on a single HDD sound for me like "too big" for a fast throughtput/performance. Would it be better to use 3Tb or even 2Tb HDDs instead?
The built in backup whould work fine.Aloise wrote: 6. In addition, how can I map BACKUP NAS (JBOD) to get data from DATA NAS (RAID6). ReadyNAS comes "from factory" with this feature or should I install some software like SyncBack Free?
In my opinion jbod is fine for backup. Raid is more reliable though, and it is a bit simpler if you only have one volume to worry about.Aloise wrote: 7. I surely won't be using RAID on my BACKUP NAS. JBOD sound like the way to go, but are there any other reliable options or JBOD is really the best pick?
This is a Netgear forum :D You can take a look at the various UIs here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=70249&p=414815&hilit=demo+link#p414815Aloise wrote: 8. I've read something about Synology (DS1513+ or DS1812+) and QNAP (TS-670). Is Netgear ReadyNAS really the best pick? Would they fit/work/perform nearly the same for my needs or is there any better candidate?
There are some growing pains with Netgear's OS6 firmware. - DrJonesAspirant
Aloise wrote: Hi everyone.
2. One mandatory feature for me is to have the ability to mirror my data on backup dedicated HDs. I know that there's a tradeoff concerning performance vs security (redundancy). I know very little about RAID and thought that maybe RAID6 would be a reasonable option. I also know that if I fill my NAS with 12Tb, 6Tb would be for useful data and 6Tb for backup (in a nutshell). Does it make sense?
Yes I'd absolutely, 100% recommend RAID6 or dual-disk redundancy, meaning you can lose up to TWO hard drives and still not lose any data. If one disk dies, it's pretty unnerving while you're waiting for the replacement to arrive & then the array to rebuild - dual disk redundancy is very inexpensive peace of mind.4. I know these NASes don't work with SAS HDs. So I'll have to stick to SATA Enterprise Class HDs, such as Seagate Constellation or similar. Higher RPM and internal memory would increase disk I/O. Both Netgear and QNAP sell either diskless or loaded with enterprise class HDs. Any comments/suggestions on this?
Personally I think the extra money spent on enterprise grade drives is wasted. You will almost certainly NOT see a performance difference in these NAS, and you have to stick very carefully to the ReadyNAS Hardware Compatibility List - you can't just buy any drive you want. You must check the list first and only buy those drives listed.5. Are these NASes able to stream media "from factory", of course through my wifi router or will I need to install tons of apps/software to do it? Any light on this?
Yes, they do it from the factory; just enable DLNA if it isn't turned on by default.6. I have an Apple TV box. May I also use it as another option to stream media (videos, audio,photos) from the NAS to my TV?
Absolutely, I do it all the time. You just have to have your content loaded into iTunes, leave your PC with iTunes on & running.
I like AcePlayer for streaming movies directly from my ReadyNAS to my iPad & iPhone.
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