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2014-12-11
02:13 PM
2014-12-11
02:13 PM
8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
I know it's all theory at this point but do you think OS 6.x will support the new 8TB shingled magnetic recording drives? Retail is $260 which is certainly a bargain. Currently being shipped to Amazon they should be available the first of the year.
I'm buying into some large storage and wondering if I should hold off for a while...
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/195543-seagates-first-shingled-hard-drives-now-shipping-8tb-for...
I'm buying into some large storage and wondering if I should hold off for a while...
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/195543-seagates-first-shingled-hard-drives-now-shipping-8tb-for...
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2014-12-11
02:17 PM
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02:17 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
Well I think 8TB drives should work. Though we can't know for sure till they are tested.
As for whether this model is suitable for NAS use and compatible is another question.
As for whether this model is suitable for NAS use and compatible is another question.
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2014-12-12
06:34 AM
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Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
Would love to hear if these things would work and would be suitable in a ReadyNAS. MMM, 24GB online in a 4 bay…
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2014-12-12
08:26 AM
2014-12-12
08:26 AM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
24 GB? :slap:
schalliol wrote: Would love to hear if these things would work and would be suitable in a ReadyNAS. MMM, 24GB online in a 4 bay…
Though the trend is pretty amazing when you think about it. 10 years ago 500 GB hard drives were just being introduced (and we all thought they were huge!).
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2014-12-12
08:30 AM
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08:30 AM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
Totally! 32TB in physical space in just 3.5"x5.75"x4" for under $1000. I actually originally typed GB because this just doesn't make sense! It's a bit like the magic I felt when I first saw an ATTO Silicon Drive at MacWorld Expo Boston
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2014-12-12
12:32 PM
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12:32 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
From Seagate's PR
and from the data sheet:
"Archive workloads"... Not sure if a typical NAS workload can always be described as simply an archive workload - but certainly some could. Either way, @ $266 a drive its a great price point. No discount for buying a 20 pack though -> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST8000AS0002-20PK-ARCHIVE-128MB-3-5IN/dp/B00QPMRIFM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8... 😞
Outfitted with enterprise-class reliability and support for archive workloads, it features multi-drive RV tolerance for consistent enterprise-class performance in high density environments.
Engineered for 24×7 workloads of 180TB per year
and from the data sheet:
- Load/Unload Cycles 300,000
Nonrecoverable Read Errors per Bits Read, Max 1 per 10E14
Workload Rate Limit (TB/year) 180
Power-On Hours 8760 (24×7)
Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) (hours) 800K
Limited Warranty (years) 3
"Archive workloads"... Not sure if a typical NAS workload can always be described as simply an archive workload - but certainly some could. Either way, @ $266 a drive its a great price point. No discount for buying a 20 pack though -> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST8000AS0002-20PK-ARCHIVE-128MB-3-5IN/dp/B00QPMRIFM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8... 😞
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2014-12-12
12:38 PM
2014-12-12
12:38 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
I'm not too familiar with these specs, but 180TB/year workload rate limit sounds like it could work in many environments.
The 4TB Segate NAS Drives I just picked up compare like this:
Load/Unload Cycles 600,000 (2x the 8TB)
Nonrecoverable Read Errors per Bits Read, Max 1 per 10E14 (same as the 8TB)
Workload Rate Limit (TB/year) Could not find
Power-On Hours 8760 (24×7) (same as the 8TB)
Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) (hours) 1MM (+200K)
Limited Warranty (years) 3
The 4TB Segate NAS Drives I just picked up compare like this:
Load/Unload Cycles 600,000 (2x the 8TB)
Nonrecoverable Read Errors per Bits Read, Max 1 per 10E14 (same as the 8TB)
Workload Rate Limit (TB/year) Could not find
Power-On Hours 8760 (24×7) (same as the 8TB)
Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) (hours) 1MM (+200K)
Limited Warranty (years) 3
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2014-12-12
01:00 PM
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01:00 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
I agree that its spec'd like a NAS drive - not like an enterprise drive. Enterprise specs would have non-recoverable read errors of 1 in 10E15.
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2014-12-12
01:12 PM
2014-12-12
01:12 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
Works for me with a bunch of backup. Definitely interested in what an expected workload rate limit is, as I wouldn't think 180 TB on an 8TB is a huge amount for some applications. I've typically used enterprise drives, but the NAS drives these days just look so good for the money
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2014-12-12
01:29 PM
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01:29 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
Seagates Annualized Workload Rate formula:
From this article -> http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/005902en?language=en_US
Annualized Workload Rate =
(Lifetime Writes + Lifetime Reads) * (8760 / Lifetime Power On Hours)
From this article -> http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/005902en?language=en_US
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2014-12-12
01:41 PM
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01:41 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
It's advertised as an "Archive HD" I believe the main application is "cold storage" that needs to be available, but isn't accessed often. There's a two-year old article on SMR here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/competitio ... mr-drives/
Early technology was quite sensitive to vibration, so it will be interesting to see how the Seagate stacks up in that regard.
The article ahpsi links in describes the 180TB workload as "light" and 550TB as "heavy".
Seagate enterprise drives state the workload is 550 TB/year here: http://www.seagate.com/www-content/prod ... 1404us.pdf
That datasheet also claims that 550 TB/year is 10x the workload of a desktop drive, but that spec is (not surprisingly) missing on both their desktop and NAS datasheets.
Early technology was quite sensitive to vibration, so it will be interesting to see how the Seagate stacks up in that regard.
The article ahpsi links in describes the 180TB workload as "light" and 550TB as "heavy".
Seagate enterprise drives state the workload is 550 TB/year here: http://www.seagate.com/www-content/prod ... 1404us.pdf
That datasheet also claims that 550 TB/year is 10x the workload of a desktop drive, but that spec is (not surprisingly) missing on both their desktop and NAS datasheets.
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2014-12-12
04:52 PM
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04:52 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
Certainly that doesn't sound great, but it sure could be nice for a drive that doesn't see huge file transfer all the time.
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2014-12-12
06:03 PM
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06:03 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
If I got the math correct its about 90 minutes a day usage at 100 MB/sec. That would work for many backup scenarios.
It's also enough for over 8000 hours of BluRay streaming a year (and much more at lower rates), so it sounds like enough for most people's multimedia libraries.
It's also enough for over 8000 hours of BluRay streaming a year (and much more at lower rates), so it sounds like enough for most people's multimedia libraries.
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2014-12-12
08:09 PM
2014-12-12
08:09 PM
Re: 8TB HDD - Seagate ST8000AS0002
That makes sense, and realistically, if you bust one in a few years, by then NAS drives will be available for cheaper at this capacity.
Now, to find out what equipment can handle them!
Now, to find out what equipment can handle them!
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