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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

SamEd
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Extending an Orbi 970 system

I just upgraded to the Orbi 970 system. In the past I was able to use older satellites to extend my wifi to a pair of distant bedrooms with a wired backhaul, when going from 750->860->960. Now my 860 Satellites don’t work in that spot. I tried synching, and that didn’t work. The 860 satellite stays magenta, and gives flaky, slow service. Sometimes it gives ~400gb/s, sometimes 30gb/s. 

 

For my purposes, this does not need to be a seamless mesh. It’s just for kids doing homework. I upgraded to get wired 10g service to my office. 

 

What’s the least expensive way to get reliable service to the kids rooms? I’d love a solution that doesn’t cost $900. Is there a way I can use an older Orbi router or satellite to extend? Do the ‘mesh extenders’ work with the 970? Keeping the network name and worth a few extra dollars, but not $900.

 

I think Netgear would maintain better brand loyalty if they would support easier upgrade paths between their products. 

 

Thanks!

Sam

 

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

So it's official, you can't extend an Orbi 970 network with anything but a 970 satellite. I tried the 'mesh range extender' it was a no-go. I tried my old 960 router as a AP, and that didn't work either. 

 

The 970 Satellite was up and working in 20 minutes. 

 

Feels like Netgear makes it difficult on purpose. Notice you can't just buy the 970 router, by itself. They want you to go all in with the latest, most expensive. 

 

I considered jumping off the Orbi train this time around, and probably will next time. I'm still within the return window, but once it's in and working, it's hard to start over.

 

But I'm not an entirely happy customer. Next firmware version should really bring better compatibility, if they want to retain customers.

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FURRYe38
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

https://kb.netgear.com/000065169/Which-Orbi-routers-and-satellites-are-compatible

The 970 seires is all new tech and hardware that makes using older model Orbi devices not compatible. Not everything can be made to work all together sometimes. 

 

What is the size of your home? Sq Ft?

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

Our place is only about 2000sq ft, but it’s poured concrete construction on 3 floors. Wired backhaul is the only thing that works. 

 

Do the ‘mesh extenders’ work with the Orbi 970? Maybe the AC1900? 

https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/range-extenders/ex6400/

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FURRYe38
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

Even with the RBS ethernet connected, and placement out at 30-40 feet, the one RBS and RBR should get you good coverage, though ya, concrete will be problematic. 

 

Can try the extender to see if it will connect however it may not being it's of older tech and the Orbi is of new tech. May need to add another RBS970 series satellite to this area via ethernet. 

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

I ordered both the RB970 satellite, and this ‘mesh extender’. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0762QT7S6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Fingers crossed that they less expensive item does the job in the back bedrooms. 

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plemans
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

You could use the old router part of your system and just put it in access point mode. And even attach the old satellites to that router. 

It wouldn't "mesh" as well but with poured concrete walls, it should be fine. 

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

Using the old router could be great? How do you configure it? Start with a reset? App or in a browser?

 

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plemans
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

I'd set it up through the browser. 

Put the 2nd one in access point mode. 

You'll need to make sure the satellites are connecting to the proper routers. 

So have the main system setup. (with its own satellites)

Then setup the 2nd router and put it in access point mode (separate ssid). Then setup the satellites to the 2nd one 

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

I’ll give it a try tonight. Thanks!

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

I tried using my 960 router in AP mode, but it stays magenta, and doesn’t actually provide an internet connection with the different network name. 

Sometimes it can take a while for the magenta light to go away. I’ll check back in a while.

 

The ethernet is going though a Moca adapter, and the connection is decent up there when I plug it into a laptop directly. But a 960 AP as a 970 access point seems like a fail. 

 

Having a different wifi name was at least useful to debug if it was working. Seems like Netgear really wants to force customers to use the expensive 970 satellites. 

 

There is actually a signal from the downstairs router, but it’s weak, and flaky. One minute it’s 600Mb/sec, the next it’s below 50. Upload speeds can be as low as 3Mb/sec.

 

Tomorrow I’ll receive the ‘mesh extender’ and I’ll give that a shot. I also ordered a 970 satellite, so if nothing else works, I’ll spend the money and stop messing around.

 

Thanks for the great suggestions!

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plemans
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

when you connected the router in AP mode, did you have it connected to its wan port or lan port? 

It should be to its wan port. 

I've had a couple different systems setup this route as I test things and its been fine for me. 

You also need to make sure if you're connecting satellites to the AP, they either need to be wireless or connected after the AP and to its lan port. 

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

Yes, connected through the WAN port as I had specified in the browser when setting it up. I tried the other ports to double check. Stays magenta. 

 

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SamEd
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

So it's official, you can't extend an Orbi 970 network with anything but a 970 satellite. I tried the 'mesh range extender' it was a no-go. I tried my old 960 router as a AP, and that didn't work either. 

 

The 970 Satellite was up and working in 20 minutes. 

 

Feels like Netgear makes it difficult on purpose. Notice you can't just buy the 970 router, by itself. They want you to go all in with the latest, most expensive. 

 

I considered jumping off the Orbi train this time around, and probably will next time. I'm still within the return window, but once it's in and working, it's hard to start over.

 

But I'm not an entirely happy customer. Next firmware version should really bring better compatibility, if they want to retain customers.

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FURRYe38
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Re: Extending an Orbi 970 system

Take in to account that Orbi 970 series has new tech and also deploys mixed mode WPA2 and WPA3 which there has been a long standing problem with older wifi devices that even though they never developed for WPA3 support, have problems connecting to wifi signals what have WPA3 on the signal though WPA2 is present. I have a few NG routers that won't work in wireless bridge mode if WPA3 is present. New tech means less compatibility as well and new specs for WiFi 7 may not allow for this. There comes a time when tech just has to progress forward and yes, leave old tech behind. Something you'll have to figure out and we all have to deal with. I presume this will be with all mfrs having to deal with new tech. 

 

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