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Wifi router help

Tmoore1981
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Wifi router help

Upgraded my wifi from 500 to 1 gig and my wifi speed is all over the place, one time its 500-600 other times 100-200. Getting consistent 600+ on ethernet. Was told my router was the issue ac2600 rx450 so i bought a ax1800 wifi 6 wax204 and seems like it got worse on wifi. I was told the 6 should support gig internet. Not sure where im going wrong here if i have settings that aren’t right or what. On ethernet its consistent
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Kitsap
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Re: Wifi router help


@Tmoore1981 wrote:
Upgraded my wifi from 500 to 1 gig and my wifi speed is all over the place, one time its 500-600 other times 100-200. Getting consistent 600+ on ethernet. Was told my router was the issue ac2600 rx450 so i bought a ax1800 wifi 6 wax204 and seems like it got worse on wifi. I was told the 6 should support gig internet. Not sure where im going wrong here if i have settings that aren’t right or what. On ethernet its consistent

Some background reading on your part will help you better understand Wi-Fi and throughput capacity.

 

Here is a link to a great reference document:  https://www.duckware.com/tech/wifi-in-the-us.html

 

Recommend you start off with chapters 3 and 11.

 

When you are testing throughput capacity, recommend you use the installable stand alone Ookla application available in the play store.  This program removes the web browser from being included in the data path.

 

 

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CrimpOn
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Re: Wifi router help

As the referenced article points out, WiFi6 has a theoretical maximum bandwidth that is close to 1GB/sec, provided that the device being used to measure speed is capable of WiFi6 and 2x2 MIMO. and is very close to the router.

 

It would help to know:

  • what device is being used to measure internet speed
  • how far it is from the router

 

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Tmoore1981
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Re: Wifi router help

Iphone x and a 14. Within 5 feet. Both using speedtest app not via browser
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FURRYe38
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Re: Wifi router help

What model router do you have? Is this a Orbi router or RAX series router? 

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Tmoore1981
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Re: Wifi router help

Both routers are listed in the original post
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FURRYe38
Guru

Re: Wifi router help

RX450 is not valid and AX1800 is a wifi speed. Not a model #

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Kitsap
Master

Re: Wifi router help


@Tmoore1981 wrote:
Both routers are listed in the original post

There is no such router as a rx450 and the wax204 is a wired access point, not a router.

 

Please look at the label on the router for the model number.

 

What is the brand name and model number of the modem connected upstream between your router and the internet?

 

 

 

 

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Tmoore1981
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Re: Wifi router help

I didn’t realize i mis typed its a r7450. I use spectrum internet so it’s whatever they supplied im not at home right now to look. I get 600-800 download at both the modem and via ethernet off the router/access point. Just seems like it shouldn’t be so inconsistent on wifi if it’s staying steady on Ethernet.
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Kitsap
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Re: Wifi router help


@Tmoore1981 wrote:
I didn’t realize i mis typed its a r7450. I use spectrum internet so it’s whatever they supplied im not at home right now to look. I get 600-800 download at both the modem and via ethernet off the router/access point. Just seems like it shouldn’t be so inconsistent on wifi if it’s staying steady on Ethernet.

Wi-Fi can vary depending on the radio frequency environment where you are located.  Do you have relatively close by neighbors that also have Wi-Fi devices broadcasting?

 

If your two Wi-Fi devices, R7450 and WAX204 are within a few feet of each other, they can interfere.  The interference also depends on what channels they are broadcasting on.  The 2.4 GHz band has channel numbers as does the 5 GHz band.  Do you have the SSIDs set the same on both devices?

 

If the Spectrum device is a combination modem/router, it can throw a third Wi-Fi device within range and complicate troubleshooting.

 

 

 

 

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Tmoore1981
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Re: Wifi router help

Not running them at same time, the modem is just direct no wifi. 1 neighbor has wifi but generally dont pick it up inside my house unless im right by front window

Im doing all testing on the 5gh. Odly enough the 2.4 band stays pretty consistent at 100-120 mbps never really changes.
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Re: Wifi router help


@Tmoore1981 wrote:
Not running them at same time, the modem is just direct no wifi.


What does that mean?

 

You aren't using the wifi or you have "bridged" it and disabled the router section?

 

Turning off the wifi does not achieve that.

 

Did you see the question from @Kitsap ?

 

What is the brand name and model number of the modem connected upstream between your router and the internet?
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Tmoore1981
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Re: Wifi router help

As stated above im not at home so not sure on modem #
The modem itself doesn’t broadcast wifi
Im not running both routers at the same time, when I bought the wifi6 one I removed my original r7450. I am now back using it as the wifi6 one was not working well very slow speeds so it’s currently unhooked/unplugged
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Kitsap
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Re: Wifi router help


@Tmoore1981 wrote:
As stated above im not at home so not sure on modem #
The modem itself doesn’t broadcast wifi
Im not running both routers at the same time, when I bought the wifi6 one I removed my original r7450. I am now back using it as the wifi6 one was not working well very slow speeds so it’s currently unhooked/unplugged

This message has really muddied the water with respect to your hardware and configuration.

 

The WAX204 is not a router.  It is a wired access point.  If you had it directly connected to your Spectrum modem without the R7450 you are lucky to see any internet access at all.

 

When you get home, start fresh with a fresh description of what is connected to what.  Begin with the brand name and model number of the Spectrum modem and work from there.  Use the device model numbers, not generic terms.

 

When you had both your R7450 and WAX 204 connected, how far apart were they physically?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tmoore1981
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Re: Wifi router help

Ive never had the r7450 and wax204 connected together. I bought the wax204 to replace the r7450 as i was told I needed a wifi6 router to get 1gig speeds. I guess i dont know the difference between a router and access point as they both broadcast 2.4 and 5gz wifi signals they both hook up exactly the same, both get 600-800 mbps off Ethernet via the nighthawk app and the router login that the wax204 uses.
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Tmoore1981
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And everything i read is wax204 can be both router or a access point

https://dongknows.com/netgear-wax204-ax1800-wi-fi-6-broadcaster-review/
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Kitsap
Master

Re: Wifi router help


@Tmoore1981 wrote:
And everything i read is wax204 can be both router or a access point

https://dongknows.com/netgear-wax204-ax1800-wi-fi-6-broadcaster-review/

The information on the web link you provided is in error.  The WAX204 is an access point only and cannot perform any routing functions.

 

The hardware you have mentioned, Spectrum modem and Netgear R7450 router will have to be connected via an Ethernet cable to form a local network.  The WAX204 access point will have to be connected to the R7450 router via an Ethernet cable and physically located a minimum of a 15 feet away from the R7450 to avoid Wi-Fi interference.  The WAX204 will provide a second transmitter point for Wi-Fi and also provide the newer Wi-Fi 6 connections the R7450 cannot provide.

 

This article provides a somewhat better description of the modem, router, and access point functions.

 

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/modem-router-and-access-point-what-is-the-difference

 

 

Still need a model number for your Spectrum modem.  That could still provide a new twist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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CrimpOn
Guru

Re: Wifi router help

Page 22 of the User Manual is pretty specific:

https://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/WAX204/WAX204_UM_EN.pdf 

 

The WAX204 is designed primarily to function as an access point, but can operate as a
lightweight SOHO router with support for a PPPoE, PPTP, L2TP, or IPv6 Internet
connection.

 

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Tmoore1981
Aspirant

Re: Wifi router help

So sounds like i was mis lead on the wax204.

Modem is en2251 made by hitron technologies but branded by spectrum. From that is Ethernet cable to the R7450 router. Even with the WAX204 connected directly to my modem ( r7450 not being used)it put out both 2.4 and 5 wifi connections which seemed to work just fine was just slower than the r7450. All my devices worked, i was just seeing slower speeds vs the r7450

I guess in the end, is there something better than the 7450 I currently have that will get me faster/more consistent wifi speeds, I only have 1 device that runs direct Ethernet cable. And i have a few that only run on 2.4 so I need something that offers both 2.4&5ghz

I just dont want to pay extra for 1gig internet if i can really only utilize 500mb i had before
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Kitsap
Master

Re: Wifi router help


@CrimpOn wrote:

Page 22 of the User Manual is pretty specific:

https://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/WAX204/WAX204_UM_EN.pdf 

 

The WAX204 is designed primarily to function as an access point, but can operate as a
lightweight SOHO router with support for a PPPoE, PPTP, L2TP, or IPv6 Internet
connection.

 


I stand corrected and am going to step away from this conversation.  I am sure @CrimpOn will carry on from here.

 

Good luck.

 

 

 

 

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CrimpOn
Guru

Re: Wifi router help

The Product Data Sheet clearly claims a throughput of 1,200Mbps on 5G (implied 802.11ax and 2x2 MIMO)

 

The iPhone 14 should be able to achieve this speed:

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Tmoore1981
Aspirant

Re: Wifi router help

I posted all my info above for modem etc if anyone has suggestions
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Re: Wifi router help

Does your wifi client get speeds a lot faster on other wifi sources?

 

Is the speed so slow that it stops you from doing things? Or are you just racking up numbers on a test site?

 

Most people would be wildly happy with the wifi speeds that you get.

 

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Tmoore1981
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Re: Wifi router help

I only have the 2 iPhones to test speeds. Mainly i want to justify paying extra for 1 gb int vs 500mb i had before. Cause if i cant get consistent speeds above the 500mb area theres no point in having it
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